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[Nova Latios Storm]

Can we possibly remove this from the game please. It really kills the fun for new players and old ones as well. No more tear 1 to 5 crap. No more competitions. I just want a simple game that is fun not full of try hard elites who have too much time on their hands.

To add to this suggestion. Possibly add something like (Fun Matches or Competitive Matches) because I am not finding this game fun anymore. It is too hard and full of people who waist their time trying to be the best at a ******* video game.

If you want to be the best. Go outside, get fit, join the real army and see how that goes or become an athlete and earn some REAL medals. At the end of the day. This is not real this is only a game and I wish for it to be like it was before. A game not a time waster.

The fun is gone until something happens. Fix your game please!

Thank you

- Nova

(Constructive comments are welcomed, trolls/spam will be ignored)

Edited by Nova Latios Storm, 10 March 2016 - 05:56 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Humans are, on the whole, competitive creatures so when you put them in a competitive environment at least some of them are going to go out of their way trying to win. Since you seem to not want to deal with people who are trying to win, may i suggest Single Player games?

[Rasc4l]

"I want to define the hobbies where other people can be competitive and the ones where other people can have fun. I am bad in this particular hobby, therefore other people should not be allowed to compete, which easily results in them being better than me."

Spoiled/narcissistic much?

[Wintersdark]

Nova Latios Storm, on 10 March 2016 - 05:56 AM, said:

Can we possibly remove this from the game please. It really kills the fun for new players and old ones as well. No more tear 1 to 5 crap. No more competitions. I just want a simple game that is fun not full of try hard elites who have too much time on their hands.

You get that the tiers allow people to play non-competitively, right? That without the tiers, it would be WAY harder on casual players?

Maybe you should think this whole thing through a little better.

When I started, we didn't have Tiers, or Elo, group/solo queues, just 8 players vs. 8. My earliest matches were often me and 7 other solo newbies (having just started at the onset of Open Beta) vs. 8 man veteran teams on VOIP.

Tiers, though? With tiers, new players are protected, not forced to play against those very "elite try hard" players.

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To add to this suggestion. Possibly add something like (Fun Matches or Competitive Matches) because I am not finding this game fun anymore. It is too hard and full of people who waist their time trying to be the best at a ******* video game.

If you want to be the best. Go outside, get fit, join the real army and see how that goes or become an athlete and earn some REAL medals. At the end of the day. This is not real this is only a game and I wish for it to be like it was before. A game not a time waster.

Like it was before? When? At no point since Nov 2012 have I seen an absence of people trying to win.

[Komi]

Hi, welcome to MW:O. Hope you'll enjoy the game.
Your number of posts suggests you knew the game better, but, to make this kind of comment/suggestion.

What you are suggesting could, potentially, kill the fun of the game. As Windersdark said, the tiers are there to split the "try hards" (As you call them) from the newbies and casual players. Do you really want someone from tier 1 put against tier 5? Who's likely to have the edge in terms of knowledge of the game and skill in how to play it? Now imagine the game for some reason put a team of tier 1s against a team of tier 5s. A curb stomp later, who really would've had any fun?

What you might argue is that the way this tier-ing is done is not good. It's a bit too easy to climb up when you're probably not quite ready. Carried by the team, occasionally a good game, before you know you're tier 3 and you're facing the best players this game has to offer and you realize you still haven't quite got the grasp of it.

So, if the game is competitive? Yes, for the players that are of that nature, put aside the fact that the game IS player versus player after all. Some people might find the tier system something about competition, but others will play for actual fun and not care for it one bit.

If by constructive criticism you're saying someone who'll support your idea, that might come as difficult.

[ice trey]

The game already went to **** the moment they tacked the "online" at the end of "Mechwarrior". Immersion? Gone. Compelling Story? Poof. Character Development? Nada. Memorable missions? Nothing but vapor.

I've known for years now that I don't want to play multiplayer games. I can play with people IRL, but online play brings out the worst in people, and enables the worst people. Of the million and one franchises out there, they had to take my favourite, make it multiplayer-only, and then try to recruit e-sporters to flood the ranks.

Nope. It's dead on arrival. I just can't get myself to leave the funeral parlor until the HBS alternative is released.

[patoman]

Fun is being competitive, the whole grinding 3 different versions of the same mech to unlock more stuff is, well yea kind of uneven for people with lots of time on hand, though whatever. I play a bunch of matches to blow stuff up and get credits, and along the way progress mechs.

The whole game boils down to shoot and blow up the other persons mech before they blow up you.

Only occasionally have had something remotely bordering hostile or smack talk, most the time people busy working their own mech in a match.

If a person is getting frustrated over a particular match not going well, like the enemy is doing this or that we should be doing this, that means they are in the match, and constructive. Its a fictional computerized wargame so people should have that mindset and that's good.

[Cy Mitchell]

Wintersdark, on 10 March 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:

Tiers, though? With tiers, new players are protected, not forced to play against those very "elite try hard" players.

I agree with everything you said except this last line. The lower Tier players are not completely protected. There are many top Tier players who run Alt accounts and come down for some noob bashing on a regular basis. I guess there is a bigger population at lower levels so shorter wait times or maybe their egos get bruised going against their peers so the need to restore their self assurance.

I have no issues with the competitiveness of the game. That is how PvP is. I do wish that the game was more of a Mech sim game and less of a FPS twitch game though. It seems that many of the "try hards" are not Mechwarrior players. They come from CoD, Unreal, Halo, etc then they make suggestions (and sometimes; demands) based on making the game more like those games than a MW game. But it is what it is. MWOnline is pretty much the only MW game so if you love MW or BT computer games then this is it.

I enjoy the game. I have no interest in the Tiers. I just play to have fun, learn and get better. Leveling the Mechs is fun even though it is a grind. The Mechbay is great and I really enjoy configuring and trying out builds on the battlefield.

My advice to the OP is to ignore the Tiers, meta and "try hards" and just have fun. If the game is not fun for you then it is time to move on.

[Rushin Roulette]

Nova Latios Storm, on 10 March 2016 - 05:56 AM, said:

The fun is gone until something happens. Fix your game please!

its nice that you took your time to voice a concern you have about the game yourself... but I have yet to see anything coming from your side as a suggestion as to how this perceived problem can be fixed. Just pushing out something extremely vague and expecting someone to fix it so that your experience may get better is not any way of improving anything.

To be honest, im surprised that this complaint is even serious... you are talking about human nature (many are cometitive, want to win.... participation medals are seen by many as a kick to the nuts while you are on the ground getting your breath back after a hard fought competition). In any game, most people aim to win it, be it MWO, CSS, Tetris, Pac-Man, Pong... you name it. Asking PGI to fix this is absolutely impossiblem because it is not in their power to fix psychology.

[Bud Crue]

OP,

Giving the benefit of the doubt that you are not blatantly trolling:

I think I get what you are saying. I sympathize a bit. I just don't know how else PGI could make the game. Between Microsoft, Micro-prose and other very large and successful companies it was determined that a BT based video game (MW) just didn't make enough $ to justify keeping the game as it was; that is "just a fun game" you could play by yourself. So here we are.

Anytime you have a game, sport, hobby, or frankly just about any activity I can think of involving multiple people; folks are going to tend to be competitive. A video game is no different. Maybe if/when PGI splits up the ques you will get your wish to play with folks "who just want to have fun" but even then I can't imagine a mode involving big stompy robots that blast things without some mechanism to indicate that someone wins and someone loses. I mean if all players had invulnerability or unlimited re-spawns and/or no "victory" conditions, I think that activity (I can't call it a game) would be boring as heck.

[Nova Latios Storm]

@ Widowmaker1981 I am not really a human. This is why I kind of dislike the human race. Life is not always about wining. Life will beat you to the ground if you give it a chance. You fight to be safe not to win.

@ Wintersdark Protected? I am a tear 5.98 and I always somehow get put into tear 1 matches. The matchmaking system is broken, you believe that MWO is flawless? The chat system is broken and there is still tones of work until this game IS flawless.

@ Komi Read the reply I did for wintersdark and no. Not really constructive criticism is for people to comment using their brains not be like "Oh you are ****, if you don't like the game don't play it" that BS will be ignored because it is not constructive.

@ ice trey Glad you understood what I was implying. A nice multiplayer game I were YOU and your friends can both enjoy. Take Starbound for an example, a nice game where you can invite a friend over to build a house and explore the galaxy together. I have no problem with the game I have a problem with the community.

@ patoman Exactly. Most people would just play MWO as idiots. No tactical effort other than run and gun. This is not Doom.

@ Rampage Again please read the response I gave to wintersdark.

@ Rushin Roulette Expand your mind, there is lots of problems with this game and you don't care enough to admit there is problems here. For example the chat system is broken as well as the matchmaking system to. See to my wintersdark reply for more information.

@ Bud Crue For one there is no need to use "OP" this is not 4Chan. Secondly don't assume everyone who expresses opinion is mealy "trolling" and in addition if MWO had a story with co-op missions a lance of 4 per mission that would be something for "casual" players to enjoy as well as "competitive" ones. They can bring out a new mission every month.

Edited by Nova Latios Storm, 11 March 2016 - 06:43 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Rampage, on 11 March 2016 - 05:29 AM, said:

I agree with everything you said except this last line. The lower Tier players are not completely protected. There are many top Tier players who run Alt accounts and come down for some noob bashing on a regular basis. I guess there is a bigger population at lower levels so shorter wait times or maybe their egos get bruised going against their peers so the need to restore their self assurance.

Yeah, I'm aware. It's not a lot of people, though.

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ Wintersdark Protected? I am a tear 5.98 and I always somehow get put into tear 1 matches. The matchmaking system is broken, you believe that MWO is flawless? The chat system is broken and there is still tones of work until this game IS flawless.

If you're in T5, you don't ever get put into T1 matches. Not ever.

I certainly didn't say anything was flawless; but the fact of the matter is, T5 players don't ever get into T1 matches.

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@ Bud Crue For one there is no need to use "OP" this is not 4Chan. Secondly don't assume everyone who expresses opinion is mealy "trolling" and in addition if MWO had a story with co-op missions a lance of 4 per mission that would be something for "casual" players to enjoy as well as "competitive" ones. They can bring out a new mission every month.

They ARE adding a PvE campaign, though it'll probably be a year or so. You don't just "add PvE"; there's lots of behind the scenes work that has to happen first - like AI.

[Bud Crue]

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ Bud Crue For one there is no need to use "OP" this is not 4Chan. Secondly don't assume everyone who expresses opinion is mealy "trolling" and in addition if MWO had a story with co-op missions a lance of 4 per mission that would be something for "casual" players to enjoy as well as "competitive" ones. They can bring out a new mission every month.

I like this game, and I don't want to work on the projects I have atm, so lets play:

In re "there is no need to use "OP" this is not 4Chan":
Yes there is. There are many a thread wherein someone posts and then the posters immediately above think (ed) the new post is directed at them or their comment. Thus, the reason why people either "quote" all or sections of the relevant post that they are addressing, or simply note to whom the post is directed. I chose to use the "OP" designator rather than your handle, as I was merely too lazy to look up its proper spelling.

In re "don't assume everyone who expresses opinion is merely "trolling"":
I didn't, in fact I made clear that I am assuming you are NOT trolling with my initial caveat. I made that caveat because given your number of posts and your 2013 incept date, I assumed you were aware that the general topic of your thread has been posted on numerous times, and many of these past threads have been put forth by experienced and/or "comp" players attempting to be ironic and/or critical of casual players who want the sort of game play you are expressing a desire for.

In re "if MWO had a story with co-op missions a lance of 4 per mission that would be something for "casual" players to enjoy as well as "competitive" ones. They can bring out a new mission every month."
This is the first indication or representative example that you have provided to suggest what you meant by your initial statement of " I just want a simple game that is fun not full of try hard elites who have too much time on their hands", which itself was in the context of the thread title of "No More Competitive **** " My comments were an attempt to commiserate to an extent possible with such an apparently extreme point of view, and I believe my comments were appropriate and as constructive as possible given the context. The example you have now provided, is far more useful and indicative of a position that rather than eliminating "competitive **** " you really are simply seeking a different game mode, and one that has been announced as being in development by the devs (e.g. PvE campaign). Would you have stated such an example in your initial post, I believe that the subsequent posts from myself as well as others would have been significantly different. Alas.

Edited by Bud Crue, 11 March 2016 - 07:31 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Energy Osis, on 11 March 2016 - 07:28 AM, said:

The very nature of most games is competition........

No.

And while I'd certainly be excited to see PvE; as things stand this IS a purely PvP game. It is, by it's nature, a competitive game, so it's hardly fair to blame people for playing competitively.

[MarsThunder]

PGI obviously need as much players as possible (preferably paying players ).
Players should not be disappointed in any way to stay in MWO.
I am sure the topic starter is not the only disappointed in the way described.
Hence there is a problem to be solved (by PGI; for having more players).
My suggestion: let the matchmaker to construct drops with less skills spread. It could increase wait time though.

[Khosumi]

I want ranked ladders, give it to me.

[Khosumi]

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ Wintersdark Protected? I am a tear 5.98 and I always somehow get put into tear 1 matches. The matchmaking system is broken, you believe that MWO is flawless? The chat system is broken and there is still tones of work until this game IS flawless.

Uhm. No you don't. You're just really bad if you get your *** kicked in 10 folds by other tier 5s. If you're not improving past tier 5, then you've already hit your skill ceiling. Maybe you should ask around for help on how to play, but your ego seems way to big about it to even be bothered with that. Furthermore, you would get EVEN MORE players that would annihilate your face simply by lifting their pinky, and YOU would come HERE to complain about good players kicking your ***!

Do you not see how ridiculous you are being?

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ ice trey Glad you understood what I was implying. A nice multiplayer game I were YOU and your friends can both enjoy. Take Starbound for an example, a nice game where you can invite a friend over to build a house and explore the galaxy together. I have no problem with the game I have a problem with the community.

You are comparing oranges to bananas.

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ patoman Exactly. Most people would just play MWO as idiots. No tactical effort other than run and gun. This is not Doom.

If you are in Tier 5, it exactly means you can't play as a team. Just sayin'.

Nova Latios Storm, on 11 March 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

@ Bud Crue For one there is no need to use "OP" this is not 4Chan. Secondly don't assume everyone who expresses opinion is mealy "trolling" and in addition if MWO had a story with co-op missions a lance of 4 per mission that would be something for "casual" players to enjoy as well as "competitive" ones. They can bring out a new mission every month.

first off, OP is widely used across forums, stop thinking it's a 4chan thing, you dork. Second, not every one would give close to a single damn about co-op missions. I'm here to shoot people in the face. That's it.

[VitriolicViolet]

By the way how is joining the army or becoming an athlete any more 'real', its entirely subjective.
Also if you join the army you kill real people. and sports are just as 'real' as video games ones merely physical.
Plus even the least competitive fields still have competition its just less noticable. Human nature etc.

I love the way people consider games fake and a waste of time when in reality nearly everything is a waste of time and its real or fakeness is arbitrary. Simply try to have fun. Now for a useless anecdote! I usually hate all online multiplayer games the only other one ive played is Space Engineers and my comp cant run that now. Single player games are my preferred option however this game is amazing its the only game ive spent more than 80$ on for one and its one of the few games ive seen that actually encourages team play and not so much 'im a COD twitch master who can solo everyone and get 100 kills to 7 deaths'. Ive heard it compared to LOL in terms of the level of teamwork. That said i really noticed that once i joined a unit, pugging can be quite a mixed bag.

Finally i think its a joke for people to try get the devs to do anything that doesnt appeal to the majority. As ive posted before they only care for money so if most of the paying players dont like it it wont happen period.
Oh and if your stuck in teir 5 than it does imply a certain level of inability, but not necessarily. At any rate if you are even average at the game you will climb out of there and get to teir 3 at least. Not that it gets much better there but at least people stop walking into walls for the most part and most players know which mechs are the enemy.

But keep on trying like everyone else who knows? As long as you can have fun then keep playing.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

I dont know what the problem is here since you said you are tier 5...

So i am going to have to guess, that you need to lower your mouse sensitivity in game. Bring it close the the left side of the bar!

[Durant Carlyle]

ice trey, on 10 March 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

I just can't get myself to leave the funeral parlor until the HBS alternative is released.

Just remember that the new game isn't MechWarrior -- it's basically MechCommander III. It's a totally different genre, not a replacement. Controlling a lance from on high is cool and all, but it's a totally different experience than fighting from the cockpit.

I'm looking forward to the new game too (Backer #1,858 for $450), but it won't ever replace MechWarrior.