

Is Archer A Worse Mad Dog?
#1
Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:32 AM
MDD has 26 spare tonnage after max armor
ARC has 31 spare tonnage after max armor (with a standard engine) and Endo upgrade
You can do a lot more with 26 Clan tech than 31 IS tech
MDD is also a lot more mobile with 81 kph vs 64 kph
Their geometry/look is similar
MDD weights 10 less so in any drop it's a huge advantage
All that considered does the ARC not look like an MDD hit with a nerf hammer real hard?
Im thinking of buing the mech cause it looks real nice, but wanna know if it's just a ****** version of a similar looking mech that I already have almost mastered.
#2
Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:37 AM
#3
Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:37 AM
#4
Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:42 AM
CycKath, on 16 March 2016 - 12:37 AM, said:
I'm more a fan of buffs than nerfs so I'd rather see reasonable quirks on ARC, just like other IS mechs have, Clan Tech is objectively better, IIC mechs are the best proof. They have no structure quirks, but Clan XL engines and Clan weaponry make them better than the quirked IS counterparts.
Edited by DovisKhan, 16 March 2016 - 12:43 AM.
#5
Posted 16 March 2016 - 12:57 AM
DovisKhan, on 16 March 2016 - 12:42 AM, said:
I'm more a fan of buffs than nerfs so I'd rather see reasonable quirks on ARC, just like other IS mechs have, Clan Tech is objectively better, IIC mechs are the best proof. They have no structure quirks, but Clan XL engines and Clan weaponry make them better than the quirked IS counterparts.
I thought people tended to say that the Orion IIC and Highlander being meh or worse than their IS counterparts that at least had some mobility quirks.
I thought people tended to say that the Hunchback IIC was made of glass.
#6
Posted 16 March 2016 - 01:02 AM
#7
Posted 16 March 2016 - 01:07 AM
Moldur, on 16 March 2016 - 12:57 AM, said:
I thought people tended to say that the Hunchback IIC was made of glass.
Since the original Orion is crap, even with all the quirks the IIC being meh is an improvement, cannot comment on Highlander
Hunchie has near best quirks in game, one of the variants doubling his structure, so naturally the IIC will not be better than that. That is the point, you NEED quirks to be on par with Clan tech, Archer arguably has no quirks
Edited by DovisKhan, 16 March 2016 - 01:08 AM.
#8
Posted 16 March 2016 - 01:53 AM
#9
Posted 16 March 2016 - 02:59 AM
DovisKhan, on 16 March 2016 - 12:42 AM, said:
I'm more a fan of buffs than nerfs so I'd rather see reasonable quirks on ARC, just like other IS mechs have, Clan Tech is objectively better, IIC mechs are the best proof. They have no structure quirks, but Clan XL engines and Clan weaponry make them better than the quirked IS counterparts.
My IS Jenners strongly disagree with this statement.
The IIC Jenners are trash compared to their IS counterparts.
#10
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:34 AM
LordKnightFandragon, on 16 March 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:
Not really, it was always supposed to be in the nose.
Archer in MWO has 1 problem: u can't fit 2x lrm20s with a 280 standard engine with lasers as backup weapons and enough ammo because the dmg per ton value of lrm ammo is totally crap. There 2 tons (for one lrm20) in table top are enough, u need at least double the tonnage in MWO.
And xl engine in an Archer? Deathtrap like hell.
Edited by Steve Pryde, 16 March 2016 - 03:35 AM.
#11
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:43 AM
Darian DelFord, on 16 March 2016 - 02:59 AM, said:
My IS Jenners strongly disagree with this statement.
The IIC Jenners are trash compared to their IS counterparts.
I call complete BS on that, since IS Jenners don't have any structure quirks whatsoever and Clan XL is vastly superior as an engine, in terms of weaponry they're not in the same league since IIC has 50% more damage
Anyway, on Topic, bought Archer pack, will be able to compare for myself which is better, though after the first tries they look pretty even, but damage numbers are mot definitely larger with MDD
#12
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:45 AM
as in, its really below average, compared to almost anything... kind of feels like a waste of money, but im just going to sit on it and hope for the best
i WANT to like the mech, i really do
Edited by Thunderbird Anthares, 16 March 2016 - 03:47 AM.
#13
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:45 AM
LordKnightFandragon, on 16 March 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:
I actually like that part a lot, It's excellent because if you have visibility you know all your weapons will be hitting, while with MDD you know the cockpit is much higher and even if you see the enemy while peeking over a hill you know you have to climb it completely before your arms will be able to hit
#14
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:49 AM
DovisKhan, on 16 March 2016 - 12:42 AM, said:
I'm more a fan of buffs than nerfs so I'd rather see reasonable quirks on ARC, just like other IS mechs have, Clan Tech is objectively better, IIC mechs are the best proof. They have no structure quirks, but Clan XL engines and Clan weaponry make them better than the quirked IS counterparts.
lol, the fun thing is that you don't even have the archer..... BUT yes, clam must be OP

#15
Posted 16 March 2016 - 03:55 AM
Stefka Kerensky, on 16 March 2016 - 03:49 AM, said:

I do have it already, you'd know that if you had followed the topic
And Clan is not OP when it's against a quirked IS, the topic is about whether Archer quirks are a joke and that's what's making it a mediocre IS mech.
I like ARC, but it's obvious it's not gonna be anywhere near as efficient as some other recent mechs
Edited by DovisKhan, 16 March 2016 - 03:57 AM.
#16
Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:12 AM
#17
Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:27 AM
It does feel very thin though. I throw in a std 300+ for decent speed boost, but even at full armor it gets chewed through pretty fast.
#18
Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:29 AM
Edited by SplashDown, 16 March 2016 - 05:31 AM.
#19
Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:29 AM
#20
Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:29 AM
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