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[Maker L106]

(That's you guys btw)

Before I jump to the parts list I want to preface this with the knowledge that at some point I want to OC the Proc and liquid cool... well basically everything. But I can't afford all that luxury right now, so the best bet's I have as I see it is to just use a suitable Air unit for the time being and put together the following. That and I've been out of building PC's for a while so please forgive stupid errors but do point them out.

PSU: EVGA Supernova 850 P2
Mobo: Asus X99 Pro USB 3.1
Proc: 5820k 3.3 GHz
Ram: 32g DDR4 3200
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce 980-Ti 6g Gaming OC edition


I already have two HD's and a cooler to use, one has Win 10 Pro, one has Win 7 Pro, so it's just which ever works better. Comp will obviously be used for video recording, editing, rendering etc: That said I'm sure the rig will handle MWO just fine, my main concern here is a worry I've had since I decided to shoot for the X99 architecture that I'm making a colossal mistake with the 2011-v3 socket that takes those specific proc's vs the standard 1150 or 1151.

Anyone out there with experience please lend it to me so that I can hopefully avoid any seriously costly errors in this plan. I know things are / never go perfectly but I don't want it to be borne of my ignorance.

[Goose]

Let the confusion begin!

The biggest problem here seems to be the choice of mobo: There are cheaper options, but this monster can handle 3-way SLI … Only the CPU can't:

Thomas Soderstrom said:

Perhaps the biggest cost-adding feature on X99-based desktops is all of that PCIe connectivity. You actually pay twice for it, since the controller is built into your expensive Core i7 processor. If that doesn’t make complete sense, consider that the entry-level LGA 2011-v3 processor, Intel’s $390 Core i7-5820K, has only 28 lanes rather than 40. If you want the same number of cores to connect all 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes, you’re forced to buy the $590 -5930K.

This argues strongly you kick the CPU up a notch, or else economize the board.

Get a load of this: http://pcpartpicker....x426c13sb2k432/ These seem to be the options for this size and format RAM; The trick for dividing the MT/s by CAS argues for the DDR4-2400 kit, but maybe you know something 'bout your chosen apps to recommend the 3200/14 kit?

I am under the impression "picking coolers for X99 is hard," as you have DIMM slots fore'n aft of the socket, and the first PCI-E16 slot is up close'n personal: Combined with case choice, and you have real issues. The Rev.A Theramalrights could help you out, if the case was right, or else one of the two new Arctic Cooling AIOs …

I'm gon'a blow off the PSU until I hear moar 'bout the case and video cards (plural) …

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($556.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer 120 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus X99-PRO/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($321.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Antec SPOTCOOL Fan ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1206.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-17 09:43 EDT-0400

Edited by Goose, 17 March 2016 - 06:00 AM.

[Maker L106]

I can't believe I derped that hard. The case is a corsair 780-t full itx.

As for the ram I'll gladly take that advice and adjust the MHz appropriately. I had heard the sweetspot was balanced somewhere around the high 2000 range to low 3 but its been so long since ive done this that there are things here i just dont recognise. The single GPU is just for now I planned to run two of them but was planning to throw that in with the liquid cooling bin later on. As for the processor upgrade that's a good call, I hadn't played attention to that one stat. That said I'm guessing the 850 needs to be bumped up as well to handle the 2nd GPU it'll get later on.

I'd also planned on doing my own custom loop. I'm guessing in the meantime the other liquid cooling units are fine.

Edit: I feel I should put this here to. You have saved me unparalleled levels of anguish and money. You sir are a god among men.

Edited by Maker L106, 17 March 2016 - 08:04 AM.

[Goose]

Guy; You are sooooo boned:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($556.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer 120 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus X99-PRO/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($321.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston Predator 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB HYBRID Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($689.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB HYBRID Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($689.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($215.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Antec SPOTCOOL Fan ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Other: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 1200W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($216.00)
Total: $3323.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-17 13:29 EDT-0400

Base Total: $3357.90
Mail-in Rebates: -$40.00
Shipping: $5.99
Total: $3323.89

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XOV PSU Calculator component list

Motherboard: Desktop
Socket: Socket LGA 2011-3
CPU: 1 x Intel Core i7-5930K 3500 MHz Haswell-E
CPU Speed: 4850MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.41V
CPU Utilization: 90%
Memory: 4 x 4GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 2 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
Core Clock: 1371MHz
Overvoltage: 50%
Memory Clock: 1750MHz
Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
Storage: 2 x SATA 10,000 RPM
Keyboard: 1 x Standard Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Standard Mouse
Fan: 1 x 92mm
Fan: 5 x 140mm
Liquid Cooling Kit: 2 x NZXT Kraken X31 + G10
Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x NZXT Kraken X41
Computer Utilization: Always On (24/7)
Load Wattage: 2225W
Recommended Wattage: 2275W
Amperage: +3.3V: 11.9A, +5V: 9.8A, +12V: 182.2A
Recommended UPS Rating: 5000VA
Generated by eXtreme PSU Calculator 2016-03-17 12:21:27

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The overclock is wildly optimistic; It's anybodies guess as to getting the first cards' radiator up on the ceiling, next to the CPUs, as the second card should logically get the rear mount.

I think it's great fun to mount the PRO-USV14(s) as pulls for all them radiators, but they will become a metric buttload of #6 washers and #6-by-1.25" hex-heads to mount.

It's worth noting at only two cards, a 5820K wouldn't be so bad … But maybe you ditch the M.2 SSD for a normal SATA model.

Edited by Goose, 17 March 2016 - 09:30 AM.

[Goose]

D'oh: You'll want the single LEPA 1375 in the mean-time

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XOV PSU Calculator component list

Motherboard: Desktop
Socket: Socket LGA 2011-3
CPU: 1 x Intel Core i7-5930K 3500 MHz Haswell-E
CPU Speed: 4850MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.41V
CPU Utilization: 90%
Memory: 4 x 4GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
Core Clock: 1371MHz
Overvoltage: 50%
Memory Clock: 1750MHz
Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
Storage: 2 x SATA 10,000 RPM
Keyboard: 1 x Standard Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Standard Mouse
Fan: 1 x 92mm
Fan: 4 x 140mm
Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x NZXT Kraken X31 + G10
Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x NZXT Kraken X41
Computer Utilization: Always On (24/7)
Load Wattage: 1318W
Recommended Wattage: 1368W
Amperage: +3.3V: 10.1A, +5V: 9.8A, +12V: 107.1A
Recommended UPS Rating: 2600VA
Generated by eXtreme PSU Calculator 2016-03-17 12:33:42

[xWiredx]

X99 owner reporting in.

DDR4-2800 or better is where you want to be. Even with quad-channel, 2666 and the standard 15 or 16 latency will hurt. It's an actual, definitive, repeatable loss (even though the loss is small) of performance. 99% of people won't notice a loss this small, in fact probably the only people that do are benchmarkers, but 2800 is not really much more expensive.

3000 is the point where it actually starts to edge out fast DDR3 kits. 3200+ is where you start to really pull away from DDR3. Unfortunately, current X99 offerings (chips+motherboards) could support 3200+ better than they do...

I'd go with 3000 and lower latency if I had to pick now. With quad-channel, you already have the bandwidth advantage, so you can afford to drop a little bandwidth to get lower latency.

SLI with a 5820K is okay. 3-way SLI is not. All of the nopes. Something else to consider, though: if you're sticking at 1080p, you should just go with a monolithic powerful card (like the 980Ti you mentioned). If you're planning 1440p/4K or if you are going to be an early VR adopter, you might want to consider AMD cards with more VRAM in crossfire (like the 390X or whatever 8GB card).

Edited by xWiredx, 17 March 2016 - 10:01 AM.

[Goose]

Annnd the totally psycotic voltage limit(s) I'd set for the two cards were psycotic.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($556.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer 120 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus X99-PRO/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($321.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston Predator 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Toshiba P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.89 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba P300 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($81.89 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB HYBRID Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($689.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB HYBRID Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($689.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: LEPA 1375W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Antec SPOTCOOL Fan ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Case Fan: Prolimatech PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan
Total: $3200.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-19 14:41 EDT-0400

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XOV PSU Calculator component list
Motherboard: Desktop
Socket: Socket LGA 2011-3
CPU: 1 x Intel Core i7-5930K 3500 MHz Haswell-E
CPU Speed: 4850MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.4V
CPU Utilization: 90%
Memory: 4 x 4GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 2 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
Core Clock: 1371MHz
Overvoltage: 10%
Memory Clock: 1750MHz
Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
Storage: 2 x SATA 10,000 RPM
Keyboard: 1 x Standard Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Standard Mouse
Fan: 1 x 92mm
Fan: 5 x 140mm
Liquid Cooling Kit: 2 x NZXT Kraken X31 + G10
Liquid Cooling Kit: 1 x NZXT Kraken X41
Computer Utilization: Always On (24/7)
Load Wattage: 1262W
Recommended Wattage: 1312W
Amperage: +3.3V: 11.9A, +5V: 9.8A, +12V: 101.9A
Recommended UPS Rating: 2200VA
Generated by eXtreme PSU Calculator 2016-03-19 01:38:49

[Lordred]

As a Titan-X Owner, go for that over the 980-Ti.

I have gone over 6gb of Vram @ 4k



Or wait for the next gen.

[Zirakss]

This game don't use six cores. If you are using applications, which do it, the cpu would be a good choice. But even 2016 there are not that many,

In times of gaming performance you would get a better result with a Skylake i7-6700K and a fitting sockel 1151 mainboard with DDR4 slots.

For cooling I prefer oversized top-down air coolers. Something like a Scythe Grand Kama Cross 3 or a Noctua NH-C14S. As fans I like too use 14cm phantomtek's with PWM. This setting cools the transistors, coils and condensators for the cpu powersupply too.

If you prefer watercooling, I would use a system out of standard parts which cools board, CPU and GPU's. The bigger the radiator, the slower the fans have to turn, the less noise. Typicaly you have a lot of place on the right side of your case. This place is ideal to mount a radiator using all this space. Looks a little technical but hey .. your building a gaming rig, playing giants robots. I would ask: Can it be technically looking enough?

I'am talking about something like this:

Edited by Zirakss, 21 March 2016 - 08:06 AM.

[Goose]

Zirakss, on 21 March 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

This game don't use six cores.

[Zirakss]

Just had a view into the specs for the actual version of the CryEngine: Goose is right, this game does use more then four cores!

So sorry folks, this was old information I gave you! The game will take advantage of more than four cores.

The i7-5930K would be a very solid but pricy choice. The AMD octa cores could be an option if you are on a budget.

[5hredder]

i do not suggest a x99 chipset with the 5th gen i7s. the reason why is because you do not need that extra power. the 6700k skylake is plenty powerful. and its easier to oc. and the 5820k runs WAY HOTTER then the skylake series. if you need a good heater in your house then i guess the 5th gen will work perfectly. but another issue with those is that even the 5820k is more expensive then the top consumer grade skylake processor. (6700k is 400$ vs the 450$ 5820k. and if you wanna get a 5960, then you will spend 3x as much...) the skylake series has better cores then the 5th gen. and theres only a hand full of tasks that could benefit from the 2 extra cores, since they all operate at less speed then the skylake cores do. in fact, 90% of the benchmarks ive seen say that the skylake is just a tad better, but there are a small few applications that benefit a decent bit from the 5820k. also, the 5820k only has 24 ports. meaning that you cannot run more then 3 gpus in a sli config. (nvidia cards need atleast 8 ports each to run. otherwise none will work.)this isnt a issue if you either get a 5930k,5960k, or a 6th gen i7. (skylake) as they have 40 ports.

did i mention the 5820k is hot? its not too bad i guess if you do not overclock it, but overclocking it will make it hot enough to cook with.

the current build i have on my pc is a 6700k skylake, a msi z170a titanium edition mother board, a corsair gold psu 1000 watt, a 500r corsair white case, a 500gb ssd,16gb of 3k ddr4 ram, and a msi armor 2 gtx 980 nvidia gpu. this stuff cost me $1730 total.(i also have liquid cooling, and a 3tb seagate hdd, but i got those seperatly. the liquid cooling was actually a gift from my bro. but i think it would be around 85$ for the one i have.) but if you wanna upgrade later on for a reduced up front price, then you can just leave out the gpu temporarily..(i know that sounds insane.)because the skylake series processors actually have a decent integrated graphics unit in the chip. it will not be the same as having a top of the line gpu. but if you need to have a budget AND you also need a top of the line pc, then i recommend this. ONLY because you said you will upgrade it overtime. and the budget is temporary.

Edited by 5hredder, 21 March 2016 - 12:44 PM.

[Zirakss]

The onboard CPU of the skylake are not that bad as the old HD3000 in older iCores. On the other hand they are outperformend even by the most cheap and low end stand alone graphic card.

So if you are on a budget and you really want that 2011-v3 sockel, go for a used graphic card. With a little bit of luck, your friends will have a older spare one. Or maybe ebay or craigs list or something ... or just rip it out your actual box.

But to be honest: If you are on a budget, then the 2011-v3 architecture is not the right one for you. Yes you get for it the fastest cpu money can buy. But they are in the pro league. Used in servers or workstations, where you simply do not care about hardware cost that much and performance is the most important thing. And intel is asking for a pretty penny for this little bit of extra performance.

In my experience the graphic card is the most important thing in game performance. Thats why you can build gaming rigs with medicore CPU, good graphic cards and they still work great. The cpu is typically not your bottleneck.

Maybe you need that monstrous cpu performance, because you let your machine render your clips or you torture it with complex filters in photoshop. Maybe you are a database delevoper and that is your testbed. Or you compile all day long huge chunks of source code. Then get this architechture!