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[ArmandTulsen]

The voting system for maps and game modes is wonderful (hooray democracy, etc. etc.).

HOWEVER, some people (myself included) do not wish to play some game modes and maps.

I absolutely LOATHE polar highlands and domination. When those two go together in a game I feel like strangling a puppy. Please, think of the puppies.

Why can't we bring back the drop-down checklist option to check off the game modes we want and don't want. And why not have the same thing for map selections?

[MechWarrior3671771]

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Why can't we bring back the drop-down checklist option to check off the game modes we want and don't want. And why not have the same thing for map selections?

Because we no longer have enough people playing. Its a bucket thing.

[Death Proof]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 March 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

Why can't we bring back the drop-down checklist option to check off the game modes we want and don't want. And why not have the same thing for map selections?

The player population can not support it. The whole reason they went to a voting system instead of just making it random selection is so that you'd have some semblance of choice in game mode selection.

[Mechteric]

you'll get over it, you can pretty much play every game mode like skirmish anyway so I don't really get the argument.

[ArmandTulsen]

CapperDeluxe, on 17 March 2016 - 10:47 AM, said:

you'll get over it, you can pretty much play every game mode like skirmish anyway so I don't really get the argument.

My favourite mode is actually assault. Too bad they got rid of the turrets.

Death Proof, on 17 March 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

The player population can not support it. The whole reason they went to a voting system instead of just making it random selection is so that you'd have some semblance of choice in game mode selection.

That's no excuse to get rid of a feature. It's why I said it should be an OPTION. If there's nobody who wants to play something like Terra Therma on assault mode, then it should keep searching or ask you to widen your search parameters.

Edited by ArmandTulsen, 17 March 2016 - 10:57 AM.

[ChronoBear]

I must be getting dejavu - I seem to remember seeing this exact post a minute ago.

Anyway, remember just because you hate Polar Highlands or a specif game mode, others might love it.

The blind voting has really increased my joy of the game, no more voting trolls... Good Stuff.

[LowSubmarino]

So bad, that mwo isnt played by a lot of ppl.

Instead, they buy cod 5000 and battlefield 5001.

Wtf is wrong with this world! ^^

[Triordinant]

Fen Tetsudo, on 17 March 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

Its a bucket thing.

[Death Proof]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 March 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

That's no excuse to get rid of a feature. It's why I said it should be an OPTION. If there's nobody who wants to play something like Terra Therma on assault mode, then it should keep searching or ask you to widen your search parameters.

Not trying to be argumentative, but it is indeed a very valid excuse.

The more options you allow players to have, the harder matchmaker has to struggle to put together a match...meaning longer wait times for EVERYONE. This is especially true for a niche game like MWO where player pops are lower than your typical AAA game.

Just be glad they gave players a chance to vote instead of making it a completely random selection.

[ChronoBear]

oneda, on 17 March 2016 - 11:04 AM, said:

So bad, that mwo isnt played by a lot of ppl.
Instead, they buy cod 5000 and battlefield 5001.
Wtf is wrong with this world! ^^

MWO - is more complicated that we give ourselves credit for.
The movement alone would give many COD fans controller breaking fits.
Not to mention balancing builds, heat, ect ect ect

This game need to stay to its roots or lose its loyal fans/whales

To the point I think we need to give the blind voting more time. Let people get to play the maps (They secretly) have been wanting to play for a while. Voting i believe will level out and we'll see less 70% votes.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Wow.

They dump everyone into one bucket NOT because there are too few players, that's the scrub excuse.

Here are 2 reasons. 1.) We have 3 different SERVERS now, which does diffuse the playerbase a bit.
2.) Lumping people into a bucket and then letting them vote allows for tighter skill-matching in the MatchMaker without causing very long wait times.

If we went back to check boxes, then you have have to choose between longer waits, or sloppy skill matches. Right now we have tighter skill matches AND shorter waits.

There are 3 variables here. Skill, Wait, and Choice.

Right now PGI has decided to optimize for Skill matching and Wait times, and we have sacrificed our ability for 100% choice as a result. If you want your 100% choice back, then we'd have to sacrifice Skill matching or Wait time.

If you have ever complained that the MatchMaker causes unfiar Skill Matchups, or if Wait Times are too long, then you can't complain about the lack of Mode checkboxes because that's what has to give in order to optimize for the other 2 variables.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 17 March 2016 - 11:43 AM.

[Death Proof]

Prosperity Park, on 17 March 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

If you have ever complained that the MatchMaker causes unfiar Skill Matchups, or if Wait Times are too long, then you can't complain about the lack of Mode checkboxes because that's what has to give in order to optimize for the other 2 variables.

To be honest, I'd sacrifice wait time to get even tighter skill matching. I'd prefer to play only against players in my own tier....even if that meant longer wait times. As it is, I still think it's a little too liberal with how it matches players up.

As for maps/modes, I couldn't care less. I have my preferences, but you'll never hear me whine about whatever is chosen.

[ArmandTulsen]

Death Proof, on 17 March 2016 - 11:16 AM, said:

Not trying to be argumentative, but it is indeed a very valid excuse.

The more options you allow players to have, the harder matchmaker has to struggle to put together a match...meaning longer wait times for EVERYONE. This is especially true for a niche game like MWO where player pops are lower than your typical AAA game.

Just be glad they gave players a chance to vote instead of making it a completely random selection.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm content with waiting a whole 120 seconds, if it means the other 600 seconds are going to be a quality match that I wanted to play in the first place.

[CmdrA]

ChronoBear, on 17 March 2016 - 10:57 AM, said:

The blind voting has really increased my joy of the game, no more voting trolls... Good Stuff.

Except its kinda bad now in the way only same 2 maps have been played nonstop past 2 days. Only just Polar Highlands and the new map constantly every match except 1 or 2 that go to tourmaline.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Triordinant, on 17 March 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Such a great movie....

oneda, on 17 March 2016 - 11:04 AM, said:

So bad, that mwo isnt played by a lot of ppl.

Instead, they buy cod 5000 and battlefield 5001.

Wtf is wrong with this world! ^^

Because annualizability. Make a franchise that's released once a year, every year for $60 that's easy to learn, easy to play, easy to find matches, cheap to play, and is deprecated each and every year so that players have to keep up with the Jones.

Besides, most people that play games aren't gamers. They buy an Xbox or Playstation, about five or six games, and play games for a total of about four hours a week. That's why consoles are popular: low entry barrier.

Edited by Saint Scarlett Johan, 17 March 2016 - 12:02 PM.

[NoiseCrypt]

ArmandTulsen, on 17 March 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm content with waiting a whole 120 seconds, if it means the other 600 seconds are going to be a quality match that I wanted to play in the first place.

yea... about that..... its more like 5-15 minutes....
and in addition... if they implement the option for people to exclude certain maps/modes, someone might ask them to implement it fairly, so that people who haven't excluded anything wont have their map/game mode options constricted by someone else... which means that people with exclusions theoretically could be put in a situation where they would never find a match...

[WarHippy]

Fen Tetsudo, on 17 March 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

Because we no longer have enough people playing. Its a bucket thing.

Death Proof, on 17 March 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

The player population can not support it. The whole reason they went to a voting system instead of just making it random selection is so that you'd have some semblance of choice in game mode selection.

Seeing as after Steam launch they said we had more players than ever I'm going to say voting is no longer needed. Then again it was never needed as far as I am concerned since it takes just as long to find a game as it ever did.

CapperDeluxe, on 17 March 2016 - 10:47 AM, said:

you'll get over it, you can pretty much play every game mode like skirmish anyway so I don't really get the argument.

What about those of us that hate skirmish and want all of the skirmish players to go play deathmatch in their game mode of choice?

Death Proof, on 17 March 2016 - 11:16 AM, said:

Just be glad they gave players a chance to vote instead of making it a completely random selection.

Why should I be glad? If I have to suffer through chase the ECM light mech in skirmish I would much rather it be random than put to a vote. Completely random would be much better than voting if we can't have back our choice.

[Death Proof]

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Why should I be glad? If I have to suffer through chase the ECM light mech in skirmish I would much rather it be random than put to a vote. Completely random would be much better than voting if we can't have back our choice.

I'd be A-OK with random, since pretty much all the game modes are the same anyway...and we've had random map selection since beta.

All I care about is tight skill matching and low wait times.

[WarHippy]

Prosperity Park, on 17 March 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

They dump everyone into one bucket NOT because there are too few players, that's the scrub excuse.

Here are 2 reasons. 1.) We have 3 different SERVERS now, which does diffuse the playerbase a bit.

If this is true we shouldn't be able to choose server either and just put everyone in a single bucket. Before you bring up adverse game play from being forced to play on servers with bad ping it really isn't all that different from adverse game play created when forced into game modes you do not want to play.

Prosperity Park, on 17 March 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

2.) Lumping people into a bucket and then letting them vote allows for tighter skill-matching in the MatchMaker without causing very long wait times.

Completely random does this as well without being forced to play the same modes and maps again and again due to vote. Random selection would mean I only have to see skirmish ~25% of the time instead of 50-60% of the time.

Prosperity Park, on 17 March 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

If we went back to check boxes, then you have have to choose between longer waits, or sloppy skill matches. Right now we have tighter skill matches AND shorter waits.

I know everyone has different experiences, but I'm not seeing faster queue times and tighter skill matches. The only thing that has changed for me is being forced to skirmish with no other improvements. The cost of choice was simply too high for pretty much no improvement for the other 2 variables.

Prosperity Park, on 17 March 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

There are 3 variables here. Skill, Wait, and Choice.

Right now PGI has decided to optimize for Skill matching and Wait times, and we have sacrificed our ability for 100% choice as a result. If you want your 100% choice back, then we'd have to sacrifice Skill matching or Wait time.

If you have ever complained that the MatchMaker causes unfiar Skill Matchups, or if Wait Times are too long, then you can't complain about the lack of Mode checkboxes because that's what has to give in order to optimize for the other 2 variables.

Seeing as people still complain about skill levels in the matchups we might as well have our choice back.

[NoiseCrypt]

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Seeing as after Steam launch they said we had more players than ever I'm going to say voting is no longer needed.

You can repeat that until the end of times, but that does not make it true.

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Then again it was never needed as far as I am concerned since it takes just as long to find a game as it ever did.

No. Depending on the mech class that you queue, you will have between a couple of seconds to a couple of minutes... that is way better than the old mm times.

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

What about those of us that hate skirmish and want all of the skirmish players to go play deathmatch in their game mode of choice?

You shall all vote and you shall receive... just like everyone else.

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Why should I be glad? If I have to suffer through chase the ECM light mech in skirmish I would much rather it be random than put to a vote.

Are you sure that you are playing the right game... this is a tactical FPS based around customization and adaptation. If you only want half or even less of that, there are probably better options out there...

WarHippy, on 17 March 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Completely random would be much better than voting if we can't have back our choice.

No, because then the developers wont know what maps and modes are popular, and which ones people think sucks... and then they cant justify allocating resources to improving those maps and modes that suck.