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[Averen]

LRM are nothing but a cancer to the game. Mostly not very effective (although it's the go to noob weapon for good reason), but when they get into the right situation, then LRMs are completely overpowered.

Grim Plexus perfectly outlines the issue. While being Sniper heavy, it's cover allows to counter weapons like ERLL/CERLL to some degree, while there is nothing effective against LRM.
It has enough little hills for LRM boats to hide outside LOS, but not enough cover to actually stay protected. Getting narced is a death sentence. An attack can get easily worn down by a bunch of missile boats.

As a result it's a pain of a map, and any time when you have to deal with LRMs. Killing defenseless noobs is not much more fun than getting rained to death by enemies you can't even see.

Game would've been only better without LRM, which is a pretty sad state. Frankly, I find them just frustrating. Gonna play something different. ~

Edit: And before someone mentions it, yeah, LRMs are useless against coordinated teams. Now you just try to coordinate a pug in MWO, result is gonna completely random, and thus the LRM's efficiency is random as well. Which is frustrating.

EDIT: Since reading is apparently hard, first sentence: 'Mostly not very effective'

Means LRM aren't very good for the majority of the game. Idk how to spell it out even more. I find the implementation just frustrating because of many reasons. That's not just being killed by them, which is quite rare for the reason stated above.

Edited by Averen, 17 March 2016 - 01:01 PM.

[Imperius]

Uhhhh did you just make another LRM's are OP thread? If so please close and lock this thread, good players know that LRM's are not a threat.

[pbiggz]

hard counter to LRM

[Mcgral18]

"Overpowered"



Especially Grim...that has a considerable amount of hard cover.



To make them fun, you'd need to make them good.
Reliant on the Shooter, and not the target, for effectiveness.

Edited by Mcgral18, 17 March 2016 - 12:48 PM.

[Johny Rocket]

Imperius, on 17 March 2016 - 12:44 PM, said:

Uhhhh did you just make another LRM's are OP thread? If so please close and lock this thread, good players know that LRM's are not a threat.

until they are and then you are ******
You have whats called an opinion. I play in high tiers and they do exist and some comp teams actually run them.

[pbiggz]

Tractor Joe, on 17 March 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

until they are and then you are ******
You have whats called an opinion. I play in high tiers and they do exist and some comp teams actually run them.

lolno. LRMs are ****. If you're dying to LRMs you let it happen, they're the only weapon that relies on the target being stupider than you, and you have to be pretty stupid to take them.

[Noesis]

Analysing report ... *beep*:

Averen, on 17 March 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

getting rained to death by enemies you can't even see .....
Frankly, I find them just frustrating. ......
Gonna play something different. ~

Transmission deciphered. *beep*

Inserting suggestion protocol: *beep*

"Think and use cover."

End Analyis *beep*

[Averen]

My post is a bit of a rage-post (which I btw even wrote), but if you actually think my point is LRMs are OP, then i'm not sure what to say. A lot of the answer are kinda dumb, even following usual forum standards.

Learn to read? Actually read the post? L2P instead of being a forum warrior?

As for rocks, don't try to look more clever than you are. Grim Plexus is full of rocks, but most of them don't actually protect you in case of a lock on. Which is my point.

Edited by Averen, 17 March 2016 - 12:56 PM.

[FupDup]

To be fair, Lurms actually aren't all that fun right now from the shooter's perspective. The thread maker is wrong about Lurms being OP, but that's besides the point.

It just really isn't that satisfying to use a weapon system that depends on my teammates and enemies just as much as it depends on me, and also a weapon system that controls itself rather than being controlled by the user (can't aim at specific hitboxes to put damage where I want it).

[Cion]

OP, it's hard to not laugh or simply ignore you from the way you made your post. I can understand a new player raising a concern about LURMs, but would expect a non-cry-baby post to be somewhat trying to be objective.

The tone I see from your post is so full of emotion that it makes it hard to reply with anything less that:

Learn to play nubz. and stop crying.

[pbiggz]

Averen, on 17 March 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

My post is a bit of a rage-post (which I btw even wrote), but if you actually think my point is LRMs are OP, then i'm not sure what to say. A lot of the answer are kinda dumb, even following usual forum standards.

Learn to read? Actually read the post? L2P instead of being a forum warrior?

As for rocks, don't try to look more clever than you are. Grim Plexus is full of rocks, but most of them don't actually protect you in case of a lock on. Which is my point.

Then you are standing on the wrong side of the rock.

[Yankee77]

Actually, Grim Plexus is a great map to defend against LRMs. Sure, there are nice expanses, but pretty much ALL cover available on that map is good against LRMs. Just duck behind it and the lurms will hit it. Just learn to identify what provides good cover (practically every obstacle on Grim Plexus), and what doesn't (slopes that block LOS, that LRMs can easily sail over).

That said, I completely disagree with LRMs being OP in certain circumstances. They're no more OP than Gauss or PPCs would be if all you did was skyline yourself and remained still all the time. The only way LRMs are murderous is if you are not playing right. If you play correctly, you'll find that LRMs are only truly a danger in situation where any other weapons are also dangerous... and in many situations you're better off using sniping weapons instead.

Mind you, I fully approve of the sentiment behind improving LRMs. Personally, I'd say anything that makes LRMs better when LOS is available, but keeps LRMs as is when fired indirectly. Maybe one option would be to increase the speed, but make the flight path arc higher when fired indirectly so the travel time remains roughly the same as the current travel time. That way when fired directly, you'd get a faster travel time.

Either way, LRMs should be made more effective when fired directly (beyond what Artemis and TAG does), to reward using them in that fashion (at which point people complaining about them would have no ground to stand on, since the other weapons would be hitting directly too), while keeping indirect LRMs at the same level. This would be better than an across-the-board buff, as indirect LRMs can be very destructive and frustrating for the less skilled players who don't know how to defend against them.

[Averen]

Are you guys stupid?

First sentence: Mostly not very effective

Means they are trash in most situations. Guess it's easier to be amused when you're just ignorant enough. ~

[Cion]

Averen, on 17 March 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

Are you guys stupid?

First sentence: Mostly not very effective

Means they are trash in most situations. Guess it's easier to be amused when you're just ignorant enough. ~

thank you for confirming my first post.

Love you. c ya later.

[Averen]

I said I found it frustrating. But I guess feeling emotions and writing them down is not cool in the tough forum warrior society?

Stop acting so immature. That's even worse than crybabys. It's also pretty obvious that half the posts here are from people who went knowingly into another threat to make fun and assure themselves how much cleverer they are. So don't even pretend you're better.

Edited by Averen, 17 March 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[Mcgral18]

LRMs are never OP, which is what your post doesn't mention.
In fact, they mention specifically that.


It annoys me when people say that are...which convinces people to take them, which causes the team to fail.
That's annoying. LRMs, which your team takes.


The most frustrating thing is a weapon which is worthless. So you're right, LRMs are frustrating. They simply aren't effective.

[Cion]

Averen, on 17 March 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

I said I found it frustrating. But I guess feeling emotions and writing them down is not cool in the tough forum warrior society?

Stop acting so immature. That's even worse than crybabys. It's also pretty obvious that half the posts here are from people who went knowingly into another threat to make fun and assure themselves how much cleverer they are. So don't even pretend you're better.

I will try one last time. No one is pretending to be better than anybody. If you feel that way sorry for you.
If you look closely, and honestly, I have not said anything against you, but rather actions from you, which is very different. You solve nothing by calling people names.

You will not receive any sort of support on logical forums by just venting frustration, especially when that frustration is not generalized. If you are frustrated, that's fine, take a step back, analyze why you are frustrated, and post those cool ideas asking for feedback.

If I saw something like: "I'm frustrated, i keep on dying to Lurms, but I see a lot of people saying that they are easy to ignore. what I'm I missing?" would be completely different than what you did.

I hope you find whatever it is you are seeking, whether that be validation, comfort, counsel or whatever. Good luck (sincere)

[1453 R]

Averen.

You wrote an LRM rage post.

Do you have any idea how many LRM rage posts this forum sees in an hour? The answer is greater than 1.

Nobody's going to take it - or you - seriously. Especially since all you did was pitch a fit without actually including anything worth discussing. Your post can be summarized as "LRMS SUCK! MAKE THEM NOT SUCK! KTHNXBAI!" What, in that, is worth discussing?

Do you have a solution? Do you have usage tips, for or against? Do you have anything worth saying whatsoever?

If not, then you'd best expect people are going to take the opportunity to ridicule yet another useless rage post on a subject covered by seventeen million and ninety-four existing useless rage posts.

[Noesis]

Averen, on 17 March 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

So don't even pretend you're better.

[beerandasmoke]

Grim Plexis is fine when it comes to cover. Remember all you have to do is break line of sight. You dont need a mountain to do that just a slight ridge or dip in the ground that breaks LOS. As far as being narced if there is a narc on the field then kill him. Its usually an ecm light or Lurm boat. Both make easy targets.