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[Theaus]

I have been asked by those loyal to the FRR to put together a training regimen for community
warfare drop commanders. Some classes will be held outside of game. But for the hands on experience; only Inner Sphere loyalists welcome and other Rasalhaguans preferred. If interested,
please post in this thread. And/or find me on the FRR teamspeak hub: frrhub.tk:9725 or 162.243.239.158:9725 password:Dragon

(-SO-)Theaus
President for Life
Sons of Odin
Think. Aim. Kill. Win

[Rabtar]

Give us a ring next time you see me on. I would love to help with this.

..... Ignore the Ghost Bear emblem... we're just on vacation for 2 weeks...

[Scurro]

Theaus, on 22 February 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

I have been asked by those loyal to the FRR to put together a training regimen for community
warfare drop commanders. Some classes will be held outside of game. But for the hands on experience; only Inner Sphere loyalists welcome and other Rasalhaguans preferred. If interested,
please post in this thread. And/or find me on the FRR teamspeak hub: frrhub.tk:9725 or 162.243.239.158:9725 password:Dragon

(-SO-)Theaus
President for Life
Sons of Odin
Think. Aim. Kill. Win

Just a correction for the HUB address, frrhub.tk was run by the previous owner of the hub and thus we lost access to that domain. The new one is frrhub.ddns.net

[chimmy]

Scurro, on 22 February 2016 - 12:12 PM, said:

Just a correction for the HUB address, frrhub.tk was run by the previous owner of the hub and thus we lost access to that domain. The new one is frrhub.ddns.net

[Windscape]

could i attend during my space vacation?

[rolly]

FRR only? Or are Mercenary Unit Commanders welcome ?

[Hammer Hand]

If you have room I am interested in this. Thx

[nehebkau]

Windscape, on 22 February 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

could i attend during my space vacation?

You can practice on the L0KI drops...after all we are here for a good time, not a long time.

[Jarl Dane]

Theaus runs CW drops, and its his intent to teach DC'ing only in the context of CW.

Which means..he might be able to sync drop with other IS's against Clan foes, but I don't see a way for him to teach Clanners.

[Reza Malin]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't get how you teach DC'ing. There is nothing to teach, it is confidence and experience. You either have it or you don't.

The actual DC'ing part is easy enough if you are a confident person. The hard part is learning the maps and knowing the best spots for various tactics, and when to make a call. Again, down to experience. The even harder part is getting people that actually follow orders to the letter even if it means they score low damage or die.

I hate the fact that everyone who plays this game thinks you need excessive amounts of training to be any good. It is what puts me off any real group play. I have never seen any other online shooter where people have such preoccupation with "training" and enforcing their will onto the people they play with.

All you need to do is pick a good spot and call targets and make sure every man and his dog isn't all talking at the same time. The game doesn't have the strategic depth or map space for any real tactical play. Realistically the drop caling makes little difference in comparison to the quality of the 12 pilots. If all 12 are good, drop calling is barely required beyond a few basic instructions.

Not sure why i felt the need to get that off my chest but hey ho. Hope people learn something from your training regardless!

[nehebkau]

Fade Akira, on 22 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Not sure why i felt the need to get that off my chest but hey ho. Hope people learn something from your training regardless!

To be terse, training/practice can make people feel more confident in their abilities. Training give experience and helps to make things like calling targets second nature. That is why you train.

[Mryyden]

Fade Akira, on 22 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't get how you teach DC'ing. There is nothing to teach, it is confidence and experience. You either have it or you don't.

I agree 100%. Time and time again you get "DC's" that claim to have loads of exp and end up just yelling "why are you not saving my mech" , mean-while your trying to save the guy next to you lol due to a poor call. I see this all the time in the CW Clan Wolf drops i participated in , and random IS CW matches. Unfortunately its unavoidable unless you have a few 12 mans at your disposal and even then you always have that one "special" drop caller who thinks he is better until you put Him/Her with a team that actually needs instruction and more paired with there EXP level, lol then let the whining begin.

I hope the new map passes and diversity of mechs will breed a few more humble type DC's in the future. Not the self centered "i" won 30 matches tonight type because of my unbelievable capability to make myself feel important muscle present in 80% drop leads these days.

[MovinTarget]

While there are numerous approaches for tactics for each map... too numerous to simply "teach", there could be value in addressing things like:

1. What does it mean to be a "DC"?
2. Offering ideas on how to delegate/engage your team.
3. How to praise/criticize constructively your team members.
4. Conflict resolution.

All these are necessary for someone to have a long, successful career as a DC and thus be taken seriously. You need to have certain interpersonal skills, but it can be improved.

Really, the skills that make a DC good apply to leading in any game...

Except at the highest levels of comp play, I would assert that typically the team that executes its plan best is the one that wins, even if the plan wasn't the best one in the first place.

So if the training is about tactics, meh... if its about how to get 11 other people to buy into your plan and execute it to the best of their ability... *thats* the ticket.

[Daemon04]

Fade Akira, on 22 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't get how you teach DC'ing. There is nothing to teach, it is confidence and experience. You either have it or you don't.

The actual DC'ing part is easy enough if you are a confident person. The hard part is learning the maps and knowing the best spots for various tactics, and when to make a call. Again, down to experience. The even harder part is getting people that actually follow orders to the letter even if it means they score low damage or die.

I hate the fact that everyone who plays this game thinks you need excessive amounts of training to be any good. It is what puts me off any real group play. I have never seen any other online shooter where people have such preoccupation with "training" and enforcing their will onto the people they play with.

All you need to do is pick a good spot and call targets and make sure every man and his dog isn't all talking at the same time. The game doesn't have the strategic depth or map space for any real tactical play. Realistically the drop caling makes little difference in comparison to the quality of the 12 pilots. If all 12 are good, drop calling is barely required beyond a few basic instructions.

Not sure why i felt the need to get that off my chest but hey ho. Hope people learn something from your training regardless!

It will help some newbies or others who have low experience in cw to get the experience. I only have a dozen matches in cw and I definitely would benefit from this kind of tutoring.

"There is nothing to teach, it is confidence and experience. You either have it or you don't." - I agree on the confidence part - balls are a key assett - but how will i get the experience without dropping in the first place?

"Not sure why i felt the need to get that off my chest but hey ho." - My favorite part of your comment.

[Windscape]

nehebkau, on 22 February 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

You can practice on the L0KI drops...after all we are here for a good time, not a long time.

awesome! It will be nice to have some formal schooling, for the past couple months i have taken it upon myself to drop command, and i have gotten better, but it would be great to have someone actually tell you what the does and don'ts are.

[Tarogato]

Fade Akira, on 22 February 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't get how you teach DC'ing. There is nothing to teach, it is confidence and experience. You either have it or you don't.

The actual DC'ing part is easy enough if you are a confident person. The hard part is learning the maps and knowing the best spots for various tactics, and when to make a call. Again, down to experience. The even harder part is getting people that actually follow orders to the letter even if it means they score low damage or die.

I hate the fact that everyone who plays this game thinks you need excessive amounts of training to be any good. It is what puts me off any real group play. I have never seen any other online shooter where people have such preoccupation with "training" and enforcing their will onto the people they play with.

I agree, to an extent. To "learn" drop calling, what should you really do? imo, you listen to great dropcallers (typically from competitive teams), and you develop a repertoire of strategies. And then you practice getting your team to enact the strategies.

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All you need to do is pick a good spot and call targets and make sure every man and his dog isn't all talking at the same time. The game doesn't have the strategic depth or map space for any real tactical play. Realistically the drop caling makes little difference in comparison to the quality of the 12 pilots. If all 12 are good, drop calling is barely required beyond a few basic instructions.

Realistically, we almost never have 12 "good" pilots on the FRR Hub together in one drop (unless they're all from the same unit, like [2323] or [MJ12] for instance). How about we just call it cat herding instead for the mixed drops?

[Theaus]

I'm going to be on most of Wednesday from noon to 6pm eastern us. All are welcome to join me on the frr hub. frrhub.ddns.net and we'll see if we can make any headway. If we can get at least four or more than we can maybe drop into the testing grounds and look at the maps on smurfys. I do agree than usually the team with the best players do win. But I will say that a bad drop caller can put his team in a horrible positon; and a good drop caller can take advantage of a single mistake.

Edited by Theaus, 23 February 2016 - 11:59 PM.

[Lord Creston]

Thanks for putting this on Theus.

Whenever we talk about training on the DC side, I find its really to the benefit of the non-drop callers who get perspective of what it takes to DC, and how you can best help them out simply by listening.. Because hey you did it once and noticed how horrible it was when the team didn't listen to you. DC duty isn't rocket science but can wear you down.

We have most of our unit drop call at least a couple matches to appreciate what the DC is doing.

I hope your training was a success. Keep it up, and watch out for those turrets.

[Cyrilis]

Hi Theaus, I'd be in too, but I am not sure if I can make it in the timeframe you set (bloody different timezone) I'll try to catch you on the HUB if possible. Thanks for the offer!

[Windscape]

any chance if there will be a another session of DC school? I hope this wasn't a 1 time thing because i couldn't make it