18 replies to this topic

[Joey Tankblaster]

Great to change the balance in a way that the range pendulum swings now to the clan side. This reminds me of CW phase 1 more than a year ago.

Our unit dropped against a mixed bag of players on boreal while attacking. 90% of the defenders were equipped with C-ERLL or C-LPL, spaming laser fire from the dropzones and the periphery of the map. This yielded of course in an impressive amount of damage and kills.

But...

Defense of objectives? No.

Firelines? No.

Snipers everywhere ? Yes.

We did an objective rush and the game was over (although they had the kill lead!). If this is going on we will stick with objective rushes and the match is over in 10 minutes.

I wish you PUGs happy waiting times. PGI, why could we not have range parity ????

Out.

[H I A S]

lol

[B0oN]

So you really want to tell us you cant stand around outside and poke em to death anymore ?

As arivio said ...


btw:
BJ-3 with ERPPC´s scoffs . Grimly .
MX90 giggles .
etc.
etc.

Edited by Rad Hanzo, 22 March 2016 - 02:17 AM.

[Joey Tankblaster]

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So you really want to tell us you cant stand around outside

I am talking about the attack/defend mode dude.

Of course we can change our dropdeck and stand outside but we have stuff to do. E.g. take out omega. I would expect someone is willing to defend instead of farming kills from > 800m?

[Der Hesse]

Joey Tankblaster, on 22 March 2016 - 01:55 AM, said:

Great to change the balance in a way that the range pendulum swings now to the clan side. This reminds me of CW phase 1 more than a year ago.

Our unit dropped against a mixed bag of players on boreal while attacking. 90% of the defenders were equipped with C-ERLL or C-LPL, spaming laser fire from the dropzones and the periphery of the map. This yielded of course in an impressive amount of damage and kills.

But...

Defense of objectives? No.

Firelines? No.

Snipers everywhere ? Yes.

We did an objective rush and the game was over (although they had the kill lead!). If this is going on we will stick with objective rushes and the match is over in 10 minutes.

I wish you PUGs happy waiting times. PGI, why could we not have range parity ????

Out.

Oh just wait for all the hate you will get for this post because it criticizes a clan advantage....oh....it already started. And it´s the same individuals as always. Who would have thought this.

[BSK]

Joey Tankblaster, on 22 March 2016 - 01:55 AM, said:

Snipers everywhere ? Yes.

The map needs fog and heavy snowing to enable group dynamics. Make the ice crystals in the air give a refraction for lasers and suddenly you need to get closer to your enemy. Otherwise the ECM bubble had to be a lot bigger on this map.

[Cold Darkness]

Der Hesse, on 22 March 2016 - 02:38 AM, said:

Oh just wait for all the hate you will get for this post because it criticizes a clan advantage....oh....it already started. And it´s the same individuals as always. Who would have thought this.

the very least you could have done to fuel your post would have been to realize that he isnt crying about clans having more range. he is complaining about player behaviour and how it makes it EASIER to win because no one is in their path.

[Rushin Roulette]

lol. someone from the 12th DG complaining about mass long range fire? The irony is nearly tangible here. Next you will probably complain about too many assaults against you.

P. S. with 90% of the attackers using ERLL. Do you mean 10,8 players or 43,2 mechs?

[iLLcapitan]

Sorry but I fail to see the sense in this threat.

"Thanks PGI... for making long range weapons the obvious choice on a long range map" ??

Boreal is one of the tougher maps to attack, but it's far from impossible.

If you get annoyed by snipers, dedicate 1-2 people from your dropgroup to suppression, gauss+erpeep doesnt need long exposure time... good against CLerll...

Outspread fireteams can form an effective fireline, without beeing a line.. just sayin..

Well there's more to it, but since OP seemingly just wanted to let some frustration off...

Edited by iLLcapitan, 22 March 2016 - 03:23 AM.

[Koshirou]

Rad Hanzo, on 22 March 2016 - 02:12 AM, said:

BJ-3 with ERPPC´s scoffs .

How often have you put this into practice and outtraded a skilled opponent with a cERLL firing line on Boreal by using the vaunted (but somehow completely ignored by Metamechs etc.) ERPPC BJ-3?

[MischiefSC]

So the enemy used a strategy that loses, and you're upset?

A CLPL firing line is nasty. Very nasty. CERLLs? Inferior to the CLPL pretty much all the way around.

The CLPL has a range advantage but slower burn time, ghost heat at 2 and inferior heat per tick compared to the IS LPL.

You hit the nail on the head how to deal with it - just burn out the objectives. Unless it's a well coordinated team with a firing line you'll knock the gens out.

I would agree on not bothering to run a different deck. The only maps I run different decks for normally are Vitric and Sulfur. IS dakka deck (dat MX90 5xAC5s) on Vitric really doesn't have a good answer from the Clan side. Same with Sulfur, really.

Snipers on Boreal are not a new thing though. Remember when you could pretty much play out a match without opening the gates with ERLL setups? Stay low, go trench, cut through the 'butt-crack' and don't go up the ramp, push up using the buildings as cover. Takes maybe 2 waves, perhaps 3 to clear objectives and take the win.

I guess where I'm confused is that you're upset that the way to win was to.... complete the objectives? Sorry man, just at a bit of a loss. CERLL range is almost identical to IS ERLL range. Are you upset that the other team had a bunch of people who loaded for sniping and yours didn't, so they had more range? Be glad, it's a stupid loadout to take and lost them the match.

[Joey Tankblaster]

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he is complaining about player behaviour and how it makes it EASIER to win because no one is in their path.

This.

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Be glad, it's a stupid loadout to take and lost them the match.

And this.

Think I got my message through. Now you can release the rest of your hatred and hellfire.

[Crockdaddy]

BSK, on 22 March 2016 - 02:54 AM, said:

The map needs fog and heavy snowing to enable group dynamics. Make the ice crystals in the air give a refraction for lasers and suddenly you need to get closer to your enemy. Otherwise the ECM bubble had to be a lot bigger on this map.

An intriguing solution. I don't happen to agree much with the premise of the OP but your solution seems cool

Joey Tankblaster, on 22 March 2016 - 01:55 AM, said:

Great to change the balance in a way that the range pendulum swings now to the clan side. This reminds me of CW phase 1 more than a year ago.

Our unit dropped against a mixed bag of players on boreal while attacking. 90% of the defenders were equipped with C-ERLL or C-LPL, spaming laser fire from the dropzones and the periphery of the map. This yielded of course in an impressive amount of damage and kills.

But...

Defense of objectives? No.

Firelines? No.

Snipers everywhere ? Yes.

We did an objective rush and the game was over (although they had the kill lead!). If this is going on we will stick with objective rushes and the match is over in 10 minutes.

I wish you PUGs happy waiting times. PGI, why could we not have range parity ????

Out.

Dude this is pretty much the only map which supports snipers so directly. The rest of the maps not so much. If they are in their drop zone its easy mode for you. If it isn't then adjust your tactics. I know you guys know how to CW. This isn't a new map ... take your own ERLL loving mechs on Boreal ... enjoy yourself. Snipe the living Sh**t out of them. Plenty of IS Mechs snipe great still.

Edited by Crockdaddy, 22 March 2016 - 06:07 AM.

[Charles Sennet]

"...Pendulum now swings to the Clan side". Sorry, what game are you playing when IS is presently the clear and undeniable meta for CW? Don't believe me? Just ask competitive teams or watch those matches. Many rules force teams to bring a certain number of Clan mechs, otherwise they wouldn't. I have many friends who left Clan for IS and they, to a man, say that IS is easy mode. Tried to take down a wave of Atlases and Black Nights lately? Clans simply have no answer for them. Also... I recall the wall of Stalkers that used to line Boreal and spam ERLL. So, one map, and one configuration, may favor the Clan side. Big deal. Keep complaining, get more quirks, and soon you will have no one to fight in CW. Speaking of, my unit is boycotting CW until some semblance of balance returns.

Edited by Charles Sennet, 22 March 2016 - 10:24 AM.

[maniacos]

The amount of people in this thread not getting the point of OP is astounding - oh wait... it's MW:O forums.... yeah nuff said.

[Davegt27]

OP your talking about a 1 in 20 match don’t have a heart attack when PGI lets the pugs when every once in awhile

[Tasker]

You ever tried getting your head down and forcing the players with their incredibly hot, long duration burn time weapons that do mediocre damage and have a long cycle time to engage you at closer range?

Why are you trading with them at 800 meters, lmao

[B0oN]

Koshirou, on 22 March 2016 - 03:29 AM, said:

How often have you put this into practice and outtraded a skilled opponent with a cERLL firing line on Boreal by using the vaunted (but somehow completely ignored by Metamechs etc.) ERPPC BJ-3?

Often enough, I guess you´d be surprised where I field this mech .

It´s as pure a poptart suppressor/annoyer as it gets in this game with it´s hoverjets and when positioned in the correct way, all the ERLL spammers see is a few pixels showing up, then the incoming double hadoken from a klick (972m ...yummy range) away at full damage while the lasers try to get in any meaningful damage on me .

Also works annoyingly well on any other CW map, even the very hot ones .

And what is metamechs again, could you remind me, because I ignore that page since existence .

[Koshirou]

Rad Hanzo, on 23 March 2016 - 01:40 AM, said:

Often enough,

Could you put a rough number to that? And in which Inner Sphere faction, facing which Clan, did you do that?