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[Narcissistic Martyr]

RangerGee412, on 20 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

OK, I'll try a Big XL engine then. See how that goes. Going with a 250 right now, 80 kph should be pretty good

XL:255 is the same weight and is marginally faster. Just an FYI.

I run mine with the XL255, AC20 and 3SRM4. It's definitely a hard hitter.

[Steel Claws]

Yep the Centurion is made for speed. It turns on a dime and has good twist speeds, it is probably one of the best mediums in the game. I've said this since alpha even when others thought them to be crap till they got owned by one.

IMO any medium mech that isn't going 90+ is just a target. I frequently run the AL that is much like the one posted above but I also put 10 tubes of SRM on it. Can usually score well enough in it (400-500 pts damage) on a decent map.

Edited by Steel Claws, 20 March 2016 - 08:12 PM.

[sycocys]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 March 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

which is why I find it most effective with a 255xl, AC20, and 2x SRM4/1xSRM2. Again, if I'm gonna use a subpar weapon, I'll use the variant that really maximizes it. And top speed between 255 and 275 IMO is not sufficient enough to make me go for the weaker payload.

*shrugs*

I play mediums quite a lot, so I guess to me all the little things that add up with those 20 engine ratings make for a pretty huge difference, especially if you are going to run an xl. Very rare that I wouldn't put the top xl in a mech, there would have to be a very convincing reason not to.

[Bishop Steiner]

sycocys, on 20 March 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

I play mediums quite a lot, so I guess to me all the little things that add up with those 20 engine ratings make for a pretty huge difference, especially if you are going to run an xl. Very rare that I wouldn't put the top xl in a mech, there would have to be a very convincing reason not to.

so you run a 390 in the CN9-D?

Mediums are my bread and butter also. And indeed, it is a mix of little things. But Every time you nudge one slider, the trick is to nudge another to compensate. And even then there are diminishing gains.

Such as there are really no "good" builds for the CN9-D using engines larger than the 300xl.

I don't find the lack of killing effectiveness worth 7 kph. But maybe that's because I cut my teeth on the AH, then YLW and of course, my 4G, which certainly can't maximize it's engine size. I run the CN9-D as my second most used mech because it allows me the mobility you talk about, but also to pack more effective killing power. The AH is just inefficient for what you want to do. That's not it's "schtick".

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 March 2016 - 08:23 PM.

[sycocys]

My yen-lo is an AC20 with 8 tons.

Don't think I bothered with the D variant tbh, the hardpoint combinations kind of suck. Looking at in in smurfy though, I would probably actually run it with the 390 and just rip around in it like a slightly slower Commando.

Sacrifice a ton of armor for 2 tons of ammo and 135kph - it would be a fun mech to do in-and-outs with.

-- I also have a feeling that we have a very different approach to combat. ;D

Edited by sycocys, 20 March 2016 - 08:35 PM.

[Metus regem]

sycocys, on 20 March 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

My yen-lo is an AC20 with 8 tons.

Don't think I bothered with the D variant tbh, the hardpoint combinations kind of suck. Looking at in in smurfy though, I would probably actually run it with the 390 and just rip around in it like a slightly slower Commando.

Sacrifice a ton of armor for 2 tons of ammo and 135kph - it would be a fun mech to do in-and-outs with.

-- I also have a feeling that we have a very different approach to combat. ;D

I've done a 350xl in my CN9-D, really freaked out some light pilots....

[Jazzbandit1313]

The only way to run Centurions is noted in my signature.

Bishop Steiner, on 20 March 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

so you run a 390 in the CN9-D?

Mediums are my bread and butter also. And indeed, it is a mix of little things. But Every time you nudge one slider, the trick is to nudge another to compensate. And even then there are diminishing gains.

Such as there are really no "good" builds for the CN9-D using engines larger than the 300xl.

I don't find the lack of killing effectiveness worth 7 kph. But maybe that's because I cut my teeth on the AH, then YLW and of course, my 4G, which certainly can't maximize it's engine size. I run the CN9-D as my second most used mech because it allows me the mobility you talk about, but also to pack more effective killing power. The AH is just inefficient for what you want to do. That's not it's "schtick".

Bishy look at my signature. No builds do well over xl300? I think not. I consistently do well with a +300XL engine in my D

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 20 March 2016 - 08:53 PM, said:

I've done a 350xl in my CN9-D, really freaked out some light pilots....

and got ate alive by anythign heavier driven without a steering wheel. And Coincidentally had the firepower of a Light. And still being slower than most non Clan Lights?
CN9-D

Something akin to that, I presume?

No wonder you Davions needed us Steiners to teach you a few things.....

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 March 2016 - 09:17 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

sycocys, on 20 March 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

My yen-lo is an AC20 with 8 tons.

Don't think I bothered with the D variant tbh, the hardpoint combinations kind of suck. Looking at in in smurfy though, I would probably actually run it with the 390 and just rip around in it like a slightly slower Commando.

Sacrifice a ton of armor for 2 tons of ammo and 135kph - it would be a fun mech to do in-and-outs with.

-- I also have a feeling that we have a very different approach to combat. ;D

yeah..since 8 tons means what, no lasers on the YLW? I'll stick to my 2x MPL. If I can't kill everything that needs killing with YEN-LO-WANG I suppose it's time to hang up my Imperial Japanese racially insensitive paint job..... which would make me sad since I'm moderately certain my YLW has "00001" as it's serial number.

4 tons should do the job, 2x MPL take advantage of it's insane torso twist and add that firepower that don't run out.

But I'll admit, after 5000+ matches between the CN9 and HBK variants, I'm pretty set in my ways.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 March 2016 - 09:16 PM, said:

and got ate alive by anythign heavier driven without a steering wheel. And Coincidentally had the firepower of a Light. And still being slower than most non Clan Lights?
CN9-D

Something akin to that, I presume?

No wonder you Davions needed us Steiners to teach you a few things.....

More or less, it was purely for shits and giggles one night, I normally keep a 300XL in it with AC/10+2MPL ammo and DHS to taste... Oddly enough similar to what I run in the CN9-YLW, just keep the AC/20 in that beast.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jazzbandit1313, on 20 March 2016 - 09:12 PM, said:

The only way to run Centurions is noted in my signature.



Bishy look at my signature. No builds do well over xl300? I think not. I consistently do well with a +300XL engine in my D

your signature doesn't show in my browser... no ones has in about 4 months.

And sorry Jazz, but nope, they realyl are a waste IMO over that. I got no issue stating it, because I've never encountered one of those faux Lights that didn't get shredded by my CN9.

[Jazzbandit1313]

I usually go for an xl355 or xl 375 with some combination of medium lasers and ASRM. xl320 or 300 for LB meds and SRM.

Still, I'll beat any mech 1v1 with my CN9-D. Never lost a duel. Anything heavier than me? They can't keep up with 130+KPH

Edited by Jazzbandit1313, 20 March 2016 - 09:28 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jazzbandit1313, on 20 March 2016 - 09:25 PM, said:

I usually go for an xl355 or xl 375 with some combination of medium lasers and ASRM. xl320 or 300 for LB meds and SRM.

Still, I'll beat any mech 1v1 with my CN9-D. Never lost a duel. Anything heavier than me? They can't keep up with 130+KPH

I don't have to keep up. I just have to be able to shoot my targets outside 270-300 meters. Something that build doesn't do very well. 300 with LBX works, 320, you are either stripping armor or danger light on ammo.

[Jazzbandit1313]

Bish one day you'll meet my CN9-D on the field and I'll show you just how wrong you are <3

[Sigilum Sanctum]

I got bored of my AH after I rediscovered my love for the A. 3 ASRM6 2ML, classic zombie build, nothing special.

But I do so ******* well in it. I've made Executioners cry.

[Metus regem]

Jazzbandit1313, on 20 March 2016 - 09:34 PM, said:

Bish one day you'll meet my CN9-D on the field and I'll show you just how wrong you are &lt;3

Can I watch or sell tickets to that event?

[Bishop Steiner]

Jazzbandit1313, on 20 March 2016 - 09:34 PM, said:

Bish one day you'll meet my CN9-D on the field and I'll show you just how wrong you are <3

K.

I'll bring popcorn. <o

[Bishop Steiner]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 20 March 2016 - 09:37 PM, said:

I got bored of my AH after I rediscovered my love for the A. 3 ASRM6 2ML, classic zombie build, nothing special.

But I do so ******* well in it. I've made Executioners cry.

Until the MASC buff, Executioners were born crying.

I love Zombies. So easy to gimp, so easy to kill. Blow a leg off before they get in splat range, then take your time from there. My CN9s and HBKs have killed more Zombies than Rick Grimes. (in fact, I think I just got a new name for my YLW......)

[Isolani]

For the AH, I use an AC10 with 3 tons of ammo, 3 X SRM4 with 3 tons of ammo, XL260 with speed tweak is ~90 kph, all armor max except 16 on head. I front load all the armor leaving only 4 in each of the back torsos since you need to be in brawl range to do much damage due to SRMs. You will get shot out from the front the vast majority of the time as long as you don't let lights shoot you in the back. I think XL265 is the same tonnage, but I don't have one on hand and wouldn't buy one just for this mech because I don't play it much.

Even though the AH has an extra 10% cooldown quirk for AC20, I don't like AC20 on it. You have to either use a smaller engine to fit one, strip off armor on your shield arm or legs, carry a pitiful amount of AC20 ammo that makes wasting that much tonnage on an AC20 not even worth it, or some combination of all those. I don't really like any of those options, so I use an AC10 with enough ammo to last a reasonably long match. I would experiment with AC20 and AC10 and see which you do better with. I tried both and had more success with an AC10.

[Bishop Steiner]

Isolani, on 20 March 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

For the AH, I use an AC10 with 3 tons of ammo, 3 X SRM4 with 3 tons of ammo, XL260 with speed tweak is ~90 kph, all armor max except 16 on head. I front load all the armor leaving only 4 in each of the back torsos since you need to be in brawl range to do much damage due to SRMs. You will get shot out from the front the vast majority of the time as long as you don't let lights shoot you in the back. I think XL265 is the same tonnage, but I don't have one on hand and wouldn't buy one just for this mech because I don't play it much.

Even though the AH has an extra 10% cooldown quirk for AC20, I don't like AC20 on it. You have to either use a smaller engine to fit one, strip off armor on your shield arm or legs, carry a pitiful amount of AC20 ammo that makes wasting that much tonnage on an AC20 not even worth it, or some combination of all those. I don't really like any of those options, so I use an AC10 with enough ammo to last a reasonably long match. I would experiment with AC20 and AC10 and see which you do better with. I tried both and had more success with an AC10.

I prefer the ac20 on it, but it's a good bit of advice. And the AC10 is horribly underrated for it's effectiveness.