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[Bishop Steiner]

Yes, technically, the DRG-5K Grand Dragon is designated as a separate chassis from the base Dragon.

Yet both the 1G and 5K are built on the SAME exact chassis as the base Dragon 1N, the Alshain Type 56-60H. The original Grand Dragon entry of the TRO 3025 it was a Factory Upgrade/Variant of the Dragon.

And even though by later Lore they chose to call them different Mechs, aside from an arm actuator, they are the same, for all intents and purposes. About the only person I can think of who might protest is maybe Strum Wealh (who's even more lore OCD than I am, lol).

What we could get, are 3 new variants of the chassis, which hopefully will get some new life breathed into after the Grand Rescale.

The 1G technically doesn't do much, though hardpoint inflation and quirks do wonders for separating variants.
The 5N on the other hand gives us a base engine of a 360, allowing for a true energy based speedster 60 tonner, possibly offsetting it's geometry even further.
The 1GK-DC (while not canon, necessarily) would actually make a good template for a Kurita Heavy Command Mech, as the Dual Cockpit could be swapped for the (supposedly getting revised) Command Console.

This also open up the chance for PGI making some further revenues, with either a "Grand Dragon" Reinforcement Pack, Initial MC release, and a new Hero, Takashi Kurita's Grand Dragon.

Thoughts?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 March 2016 - 02:05 PM.

[Roughneck Cobra]

Wont make enough money, is why PGI wont do it in a hurry, you know that more than anyone no matter how you spin it.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

For the last few years they forgot the dragon existed.

Now that it's getting resized (even though it really needs a remodel) they'd be fools to not capitalize on the good feelings and sell the grand dragon variants.

[Malleus011]

It's such a low-effort chassis for them to build, though. It wouldn't have to recover much.

I don't see why they wouldn't do it.

[Barantor]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 22 March 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

For the last few years they forgot the dragon existed.

Now that it's getting resized (even though it really needs a remodel) they'd be fools to not capitalize on the good feelings and sell the grand dragon variants.

The Trebuchet laughs at the Dragon... I think the Treb had the longest wait between it's release and it's hero?

Either way the Dracs and the FWL have about the worst faction mechs going unfortunately.

Stalker (one of the few really decent FWL mechs)
Awesome (both FWL and Dracs use this one a lot)
Orion (FWL premiere heavy)
Quickdraw (languished till quirks)
Dragon (it still exists?)
Trebuchet (not a catapult's little brother)
Kintaro (LOLz)
Panther (double lolz)
Jenner (rarely seen besides Oxide now)
Spider (both use, ecm only used variant, not common)


#FedComBias

Back on topic though, I've wondered why there isn't a filling out of a lot more mech variants now that the quirks seem to let mechs have more individuality than their hard points.

Edited by Barantor, 22 March 2016 - 02:30 PM.

[Archangel.84]

I'd be down for a Grand Dragon, but I'm not sure it would be different enough? Unless I misunderstood, wasn't the Grand Dragon intended to essentially replace the regular one entirely?

[Bishop Steiner]

Barantor, on 22 March 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

The Trebuchet laughs at the Dragon... I think the Treb had the longest wait between it's release and it's hero?

Either way the Dracs and the FWL have about the worst faction mechs going unfortunately.

Stalker (one of the few really decent FWL mechs)
Awesome (both FWL and Dracs use this one a lot)
Orion (FWL premiere heavy)
Quickdraw (languished till quirks)
Dragon (it still exists?)
Trebuchet (not a catapult's little brother)
Kintaro (LOLz)
Panther (double lolz)
Jenner (rarely seen besides Oxide now)
Spider (both use, ecm only used variant, not common)


#FedComBias

Back on topic though, I've wondered why there isn't a filling out of a lot more mech variants now that the quirks seem to let mechs have more individuality than their hard points.

You forget the Hunchback is primarily a FWL/DCMS mech. Atlas and VTR are DCMS. (Yes Steiner also build em).

Want to cry?

Try being Laio, with what.... 3 Mechs? (RVN, VND, CPLT)
Or Rasalhague, with everyone else's hand me downs....

As for the Mighty FedCom, last I checked,
-Commandos
-Wolfhounds
-Jagermechs
-Zeus
-Victors

Weren't exactly world beaters, speaking of "faction" Mechs.

The model of Banshee being use ain't Steiners, Centurions have been adopted by Davion, but they actually wee a Marik mech first (especially pre YLW fanboi retcon)etc.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 March 2016 - 02:35 PM.

[Barantor]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

You forget the Hunchback is primarily a FWL/DCMS mech. Atlas and VTR are DCMS. (Yes Steiner also build em).

Want to cry?

Try being Laio, with what.... 3 Mechs? (RVN, VND, CPLT)
Or Rasalhague, with everyone else's hand me downs....

But Liao has the Urbanmech you begged for!

Rasalhague is brand new, of course they have hand-me-downs.

Hunchback I'll take, but it definitely didn't get as much love as the Blackjack got....

Everyone that fought Fedcom has some of their mechs, just seems like a lot of the big iconic ones for Dracs and FWL are a bit lacking. (my definition of Iconic: majority of variants exist in that house)

Grand Dragon should happen on the rescale though. I would like all the extra variants of many mechs we are missing too. We might end up with about 1/3 more mechs overall.

[Bishop Steiner]

Archangel.84, on 22 March 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

I'd be down for a Grand Dragon, but I'm not sure it would be different enough? Unless I misunderstood, wasn't the Grand Dragon intended to essentially replace the regular one entirely?

Which it technically never did by our timeline. Dragon Production halts in 3055.

But that technically, means that the Grand Dragon is MORE important to see in, since since 3040, they have outproduced Dragons, and in 3050 the updated 5K arrived, whereas the 1Ns received a simple field upgrade kit.

Barantor, on 22 March 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

But Liao has the Urbanmech you begged for!

Rasalhague is brand new, of course they have hand-me-downs.

Hunchback I'll take, but it definitely didn't get as much love as the Blackjack got....

Everyone that fought Fedcom has some of their mechs, just seems like a lot of the big iconic ones for Dracs and FWL are a bit lacking. (my definition of Iconic: majority of variants exist in that house)

Grand Dragon should happen on the rescale though. I would like all the extra variants of many mechs we are missing too. We might end up with about 1/3 more mechs overall.

Blackjacks are common in both Liao and Davion space, but not a "faction mech" for either. Urbanmechs are all over the IS. Laio just has to rely on them more because "3rd World Space Economy".

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yes, technically, the DRG-5K Grand Dragon is designated as a separate chassis from the base Dragon.

Yet both the 1G and 5K are built on the SAME exact chassis as the base Dragon 1N, the Alshain Type 56-60H. The original Grand Dragon entry of the TRO 3025 it was a Factory Upgrade/Variant of the Dragon.

And even though by later Lore they chose to call them different Mechs, aside from an arm actuator, they are the same, for all intents and purposes. About the only person I can think of who might protest is maybe Strum Wealh (who's even more lore OCD than I am, lol).

What we could get, are 3 new variants of the chassis, which hopefully will get some new life breathed into after the Grand Rescale.

The 1G technically doesn't do much, though hardpoint inflation and quirks do wonders for separating variants.
The 5N on the other hand gives us a base engine of a 360, allowing for a true energy based speedster 60 tonner, possibly offsetting it's geometry even further.
The 1GK-DC (while not canon, necessarily) would actually make a good template for a Kurita Heavy Command Mech, as the Dual Cockpit could be swapped for the (supposedly getting revised) Command Console.

This also open up the chance for PGI making some further revenues, with either a "Grand Dragon" Reinforcement Pack, Initial MC release, and a new Hero, Takashi Kurita's Grand Dragon.

Thoughts?

You still beating that dead horse?

I can't imagine the sad state i should be in to provide PGI with revenue over a dragon copy-pasta.

[dervishx5]

Bishop forgot the Cataphract was a liao mech?

=o

Edited by dervishx5, 22 March 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yes, technically, the DRG-5K Grand Dragon is designated as a separate chassis from the base Dragon.

Yet both the 1G and 5K are built on the SAME exact chassis as the base Dragon 1N, the Alshain Type 56-60H. The original Grand Dragon entry of the TRO 3025 it was a Factory Upgrade/Variant of the Dragon.

And even though by later Lore they chose to call them different Mechs, aside from an arm actuator, they are the same, for all intents and purposes. About the only person I can think of who might protest is maybe Strum Wealh (who's even more lore OCD than I am, lol).

What we could get, are 3 new variants of the chassis, which hopefully will get some new life breathed into after the Grand Rescale.

The 1G technically doesn't do much, though hardpoint inflation and quirks do wonders for separating variants.
The 5N on the other hand gives us a base engine of a 360, allowing for a true energy based speedster 60 tonner, possibly offsetting it's geometry even further.
The 1GK-DC (while not canon, necessarily) would actually make a good template for a Kurita Heavy Command Mech, as the Dual Cockpit could be swapped for the (supposedly getting revised) Command Console.

This also open up the chance for PGI making some further revenues, with either a "Grand Dragon" Reinforcement Pack, Initial MC release, and a new Hero, Takashi Kurita's Grand Dragon.

Thoughts?

Got no problem with it, I might buy it but only after the Crusader, wasp and stinger are on the table, er..in the game.

Until those three are up and running though, I can't support anything that might delay them, not even a reskin of the Battle Master, which it seriously needs, before another Dragon happens

[Barantor]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Blackjacks are common in both Liao and Davion space, but not a "faction mech" for either. Urbanmechs are all over the IS. Laio just has to rely on them more because "3rd World Space Economy".

Blackjacks are kinda more of a "St Ives" mech than either, though Davion ends up redoing them after their success rate.

Urbanmechs would've been forgotten by most had the Liao's not had to rely on cost cutting measures to give them the AC/20.

As far as PGI getting money from them, they could release a pack with some custom skins just for one of the new variants along with a new hero you get a month or two before the pack releases.

Call it the .... wait for it.... "Scale pack"... get it? Dragons? Scales?

Edit:

Also if they do the rescaling in line with the houses/clans themselves it might help tie in with whatever CW changes they are making in the future. Drac mechs all get rescaled and come out with new faction skins, Davions, etc.

High bar I know, but I like to come up with my own fantasies.

edit: st ives not skye... sheesh

Edited by Barantor, 22 March 2016 - 03:06 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

dervishx5, on 22 March 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

Bishop forgot the Cataphract was a liao mech?

=o

all the good ones are fedcom

[dervishx5]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

all the good ones are fedcom

Going by board game standards the only good Cataphract in this era is the 3L; which of course we don't have.

[Bishop Steiner]

dervishx5, on 22 March 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Going by board game standards the only good Cataphract in this era is the 3L; which of course we don't have.

3D was fine compared ot other mechs in the same TRO.

[Archangel.84]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Which it technically never did by our timeline. Dragon Production halts in 3055.

But that technically, means that the Grand Dragon is MORE important to see in, since since 3040, they have outproduced Dragons, and in 3050 the updated 5K arrived, whereas the 1Ns received a simple field upgrade kit.

Ok, glad I'm not crazy lol.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Blackjacks are common in both Liao and Davion space, but not a "faction mech" for either. Urbanmechs are all over the IS. Laio just has to rely on them more because "3rd World Space Economy".

Yeah the only Blackjack that's really a "faction mech" is the BJ-3 for St. Ives, since they have such limited homegrown mechs anyway. BJ-3, Cestus, and Pillager primarily iirc.

[dervishx5]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

3D was fine compared ot other mechs in the same TRO.

3L was much better than the 3D because it holds up against newer mechs. The 3D couldn't do that sadly but by that time it didn't matter since Caesar and Fedcom has so many more choices to pick from.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 March 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

all the good ones are fedcom

No arguments here.
I love the Zues, The almighty Fafnir, The Banshee and the wolfhound

[Flak Kannon]

You know I'd bite on that package Bishop.

Enjoi