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[Felicitatem Parco]

So, the Tempest and Hellbringer.

Hellbringer is 65 tons Clan Mech with ECM, 2 missile hardpoints, and 7 energy (if podded-out as such). No JJs, and it has lower arm actuators.

Tempest (Archer Hero) is 70 ton IS Mech with ECM, 2 or 3 Missile, 5 or 6 energy (if equipped either way). No JJs, and it has lower arm actuators.



Fair matchup? Thoughts? I bought a Hellbringer with C-Bills just for the Archer Release (as a strange form of spite) and have found it to be pretty fun (would be better with unlocked endo,but Hey, whatcanyado). I imagine this loadout (ECM, 2 LRM15 + TAG and several backup lasers) would actually be similar to running a Tempest.

Anyone own both?

Edited by Prosperity Park, 26 March 2016 - 03:58 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

The placement of the hardpoints in the Hellbringer's ECM torso ends the discussion before it starts.

[Kodyn]

Why is this discussion even being held?

Never piloted an Archer, no desire to, they seem to die extremely easily. Have a lot of hours in 'bringers though, and next to Mad Cats, probably one of the easiest mechs in the game to pilot well. I went from T3-2 almost entirely on the backs of leveling HBRs, with some minor TBR and Dire time thrown in.

So on one hand, you have a sub-par IS heavy that even with added quirks is still not worth taking over almost any other mech in it's class, on the other, you have a top-tier comp Clan heavy that can run several different meta loadouts extremely well.

Btw, you see LRMs on a 'bringer, that's like a giant bullseye painted on them. They have huge missile boxes, very easy to tear off, and turn the mech into a complete waste of tonnage compared to it's direct-fire builds.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Kodyn, on 26 March 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Have a lot of hours in 'bringers though, and next to Mad Cats, probably one of the easiest mechs in the game to pilot well.

So true, the Doombringer is seriously the best training mech in the game.

[3xnihilo]

I would say my Hellbringer outperforms my Tempest, but then I have my Hellbringer set up as an lpl/er ml vomit build. My tempest is 2-asrm6/6ml with a std 320 engine. The st hitboxes just about mandate a std engine on the archer for a brawler build like that. Anyway, probably if I was running 3 lpl or some such build on the Tempest it would be more effective. Still, I think the Hellbringer wins the "which mech is better" contest.

[Sader325]

The Archer is Punished for taking ECM. (No weapon quirks of note)

The Hellbringer is not punished for taking ECM. (Can use the same exact weapons just as effectively as any other Clan heavy)

[Tristan Winter]

Seems like the Hellbringer is the better midrange mech and the better sniper, but the Tempest may be an equally good brawler, perhaps. And if you were inclined to run either as an LRM boat, I expect the Tempest would be better at that. I do love Inner Sphere LRM15's with Artemis.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 26 March 2016 - 04:43 PM.

[Brewmen]

Hellbringer easy decision. Tempest seems to be my weakest of the archers so far, it is gimped right off the bat by center torso cannot hold the full loadout. Hellbringer is much tougher, Tempest is very squishy.

[Sader325]

Tristan Winter, on 26 March 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

Seems like the Hellbringer is the better midrange mech and the better sniper, but the Tempest may be an equally good brawler, perhaps. And if you were inclined to run either as an LRM boat, I expect the Tempest would be better at that. I do love Inner Sphere LRM15's with Artemis.

Not even close.

Hellbringer with 7 ER Smalls and 2 SRM6 will **** on any tempest that tries to brawl.

Tempest sucks at pretty much everything.

[cazidin]

Hellbringer vs Warhammer?

[Felicitatem Parco]

Kodyn, on 26 March 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Why is this discussion even being held?

Because dropdecks are equal...

[Bluttrunken]

Tristan Winter, on 26 March 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

Seems like the Hellbringer is the better midrange mech and the better sniper, but the Tempest may be an equally good brawler, perhaps. And if you were inclined to run either as an LRM boat, I expect the Tempest would be better at that. I do love Inner Sphere LRM15's with Artemis.

Tempest is probably the better LRM boat but I doubt it could stand against a HBR with SPL's and MG's.

[Kodyn]

Prosperity Park, on 26 March 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Because dropdecks are equal...

There is very little "equal" about anything Clan vs IS in this game...most cases there's a clear advantage to one side or the other.

You're really trying to compare apples and oranges here. Some people may enjoy or do well in their Tempest, but in general, it's not considered a very good mech. The HBR is however considered by most people to be one of the better mechs in the whole game. I just don't see how this is useful to compare, unless the whole thread is actually sarcastic, and you're trying to make a point to PGI about weight class balance, or lack thereof, between IS and Clan.

[LegendaryArticuno]

PGI were too soft with their Archer quirks. it's a shame.

[Metus regem]

cazidin, on 26 March 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

Hellbringer vs Warhammer?

Now that is a tough question.... I'd give the edge to the Warhammer, far, far more tanky with the stock 280 standard, not to mention colder running weapons to boot.

[Brewmen]

Metus regem, on 26 March 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

Now that is a tough question.... I'd give the edge to the Warhammer, far, far more tanky with the stock 280 standard, not to mention colder running weapons to boot.

I think that is a better match up. I'm guessing the OP was looking at ECM heavy mechs (just a guess) of which there is not a good selection. Otherwise I would throw in the marauder also, if the comparison is just heavy mech's Clan vs. IS.

[El Bandito]

If you are talking about ECM mechs then the better comparison would be between Hellbringer and CTF-0XP.

[LegendaryArticuno]

This is my Tempest build, averaging around 400-600 damage per game. With max armour values, you still have to play extremely conservative, as it's just too big of a target and doesn't have much staying power.

[Bishop Steiner]

Tristan Winter, on 26 March 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

Seems like the Hellbringer is the better midrange mech and the better sniper, but the Tempest may be an equally good brawler, perhaps. And if you were inclined to run either as an LRM boat, I expect the Tempest would be better at that. I do love Inner Sphere LRM15's with Artemis.

the lack of mobility quirks on the tempest along with it's geometry makes it less than optimal for brawling. It's doable, but not some kind of uberbrawler.

Archer not top tier Meta MEch.
Hellbringer is a top tier meta mech.

/thread

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 26 March 2016 - 07:20 PM.

[cazidin]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 March 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

the lack of mobility quirks on the tempest along with it's geometry makes it less than optimal for brawling. It's doable, but not some kind of uberbrawler.

Archer not top tier Meta MEch.
Hellbringer is a top tier meta mech.

/thread

Is /thread the equivalent to /mic drop?