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[pbiggz]

Coralld, on 13 April 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

Damn, now who's salty.

I'm not even a TT nerd.

In any case, I'd love to have Gas Guzzlers mech list of...
Viper
Night Gyr
Huntsman
Nova Cat

Nothing but pure win.

I just can't relate to that attitude. Mektek did more than any of us to keep Mechwarrior alive for 10 years and they did it all as basically volunteer work when they could have taken their skills and worked for money instead and the only thing people here can think to do is be salty about it?

Also if we're talking about omnis, with the exception of the viper, which you all know my opinion on, thats a solid list.

[Bishop Steiner]

pbiggz, on 13 April 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

Jesus christ you guys really are salty about mektek thats amazing.

Hey! Selective reading strikes again!. You know a company can do stuff right and wrong at the same time, right?

And while mektek started off well, they were screwing that pooch pretty hard by the end. Need help taking of those rose colored glasses?

pbiggz, on 13 April 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

It was mechwarrior 4, a game with a completely different build system and completely different rules. The only thing that matters about Mechwarrior 4 in the context of MWO is the art. Thats all they could ever potentially bring out of that game.

Also TT nerds are apparently allergic to fun.

Geez, you're so salty toward TT it's amazing.......

[LastKhan]

Man i found a good representation of how the game shouldve been. Mechemon! gotta buy em all.



Also nerds calling nerds, nerds.. oh man shots fired.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

pbiggz, on 13 April 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

I just can't relate to that attitude. Mektek did more than any of us to keep Mechwarrior alive for 10 years and they did it all as basically volunteer work when they could have taken their skills and worked for money instead and the only thing people here can think to do is be salty about it?

Well they didn't do themselves any favors, that's for sure, I still remember the drama around the tools and the overall secrecy over the entire development that led to a very antagonistic approach that makes PGI look good, then you have the NBT and Mektek drama that happened in between everything. Either way, Mektek wasn't the only one keeping MW4 alive, leagues surrounding it helped, and Mektek didn't always help themselves when it comes to longevity. Those involved though were certainly instrumental in keeping MW4 alive as long as it did, but it doesn't mean you can't have complaints or salt about how things could've been better potentially.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 13 April 2016 - 09:56 AM.

[Metus regem]

pbiggz, on 13 April 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

Jesus christ you guys really are salty about mektek thats amazing.

My issue with MW4, MekTek and Mech Assault, while they brought people to the franchise (and that's good!), they messed with what people think is official load outs for mechs that existed long before those games came about. MW4/MekTek pissed all over what makes Omni mechs, Omni mechs... I'm sorry but an omni-slot or two, does not make a mech an Omni-mech. Giving mechs more equipment than they should be able to support, also not good, it messes with a lot of people when they come to TT or even MWO.

That being said, they did do some good, they introduced people like you, CK and Imperius to Battle Tech / Mechwarrior, that's good! The helped to make the IP not totally dead, also good. They tried to keep some semblance of lore, they did okay there.

But things like the MekTek Black Lanner have gotten some people to expect a 360 degree torso twist, and when it shows up here, they are going to get very, very salty that it doesn't, nor will it be able to mount the same amount of equipment that it could in MekTek, this isn't the only mech that will or doesn't already suffer this. And that is due to MW4/MekTek not trying to fallow some of the core rules from TT, while not perfect I give PGI a golf clap for trying to use some of the rules, missing other very important ones that have a trickle down effect, but trying non the less.


There is two ways we can keep going about this, you can be as salty and abrasive as you want, or you can try to be a little more grown up, and approach this discussion as an adult, that can listen to other view points with out resorting to childish name calling. I'm choosing to go with the later option, how about you Biggz? (same goes for Imperius)

[Coralld]

pbiggz, on 13 April 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

I just can't relate to that attitude. Mektek did more than any of us to keep Mechwarrior alive for 10 years and they did it all as basically volunteer work when they could have taken their skills and worked for money instead and the only thing people here can think to do is be salty about it?

Also if we're talking about omnis, with the exception of the viper, which you all know my opinion on, thats a solid list.

Like what Bishop and Quicksilver said, in the beginning they did help out a lot, no one is denying that fact, the problem though is that they made some really bone head decision, some of it is their fault while some times it was MW4 fault. But one of the things that really erks me is that they became very and I mean very antagonistic.

But lets keep things on track, I really do not want this thread to be closed down for another day and a half.

Edited by Coralld, 13 April 2016 - 10:18 AM.

[CK16]

The ones saying they would be OK with the Nova Cat have to accept they would need to make peace with the Mk.II then, cause you know if they did the Nova Cat then there would be no reason to hold back on the Mad Cat Mk.II then. Just IMO one can not say they are ok with one and not the other coming in at this point in time (meaning throwing time line WAY out the window).

[Pariah Devalis]

CK16, on 13 April 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

The ones saying they would be OK with the Nova Cat have to accept they would need to make peace with the Mk.II then, cause you know if they did the Nova Cat then there would be no reason to hold back on the Mad Cat Mk.II then. Just IMO one can not say they are ok with one and not the other coming in at this point in time (meaning throwing time line WAY out the window).

Agreed. You can't make an exception to a rule for one, or else it shouldn't be a rule for any. No time jump, no Nova Cat. No Nova Cat, that makes the Linebacker practically confirmed as heavy omni number 2.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 April 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

Agreed. You can't make an exception to a rule for one, or else it shouldn't be a rule for any. No time jump, no Nova Cat. No Nova Cat, that makes the Linebacker practically confirmed as heavy omni number 2.

And as much as I agree with that, I still say "ick."

[ScarecrowES]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 April 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

Agreed. You can't make an exception to a rule for one, or else it shouldn't be a rule for any. No time jump, no Nova Cat. No Nova Cat, that makes the Linebacker practically confirmed as heavy omni number 2.

By far the most pleasant thing Russ said in the latest townhall (for me) was that he was interested in two Clan heavies. To my mind, this basically guaranteed the Night Gyr and Linebacker, which both are interesting mechs in their own right and both fill holes in the lineup. Beyond that, you really can't get two mechs too much farther apart on the spectrum. I could not be more excited at this prospect.

Finally, though I own most viable Clan chassis, I can actually take something other than TBRs into CW.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 13 April 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

And as much as I agree with that, I still say "ick."

I hear ya, man. I hear ya. Zero interest in the lawlbacker, but I don't really see another passable heavy omni right now. Where we really have options for good - or at least acceptable - omnis is in the medium bracket. Pouncer and Huntsman, dubiously the Phantom, not good but oddly popular the Badlanner.

[Gas Guzzler]

CK16, on 13 April 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

The ones saying they would be OK with the Nova Cat have to accept they would need to make peace with the Mk.II then, cause you know if they did the Nova Cat then there would be no reason to hold back on the Mad Cat Mk.II then. Just IMO one can not say they are ok with one and not the other coming in at this point in time (meaning throwing time line WAY out the window).

Well, the Nova Cat at least would only need one variant modified, where the Mad Cat Mk. II would need 3 (that's over half) made up or modified. I don't know if you can can say they follow the same rule. I actually thought the Mad Cat mk. Ii was 3066 which is a little different then 3059. In any case, when the 4th mech is announced 3.5 months from now maybe they will be ready for a time jump? I just can't see the Linebacker being the second heavy that Russ wanted to release... I mean, I think Kingfisher/Turkina would even sell better than that hunk of junk, as they would definitely be more useful.

[Pariah Devalis]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 April 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Well, the Nova Cat at least would only need one variant modified, where the Mad Cat Mk. II would need 3 (that's over half) made up or modified. I don't know if you can can say they follow the same rule. I actually thought the Mad Cat mk. Ii was 3066 which is a little different then 3059. In any case, when the 4th mech is announced 3.5 months from now maybe they will be ready for a time jump? I just can't see the Linebacker being the second heavy that Russ wanted to release... I mean, I think Kingfisher/Turkina would even sell better than that hunk of junk, as they would definitely be more useful.

Unfortunately, by the letter of his rule, if the base chassis is released after 3053, no joy. :\ I want the Nova Cat, as I do the Mk II, but rules are rules. Hopefully the time shift starts to happen soon, though. I'd love an Operation Bulldog timeskip. Just enough to introduce new mechs without also having to force in new weapon tech beyond, say, IS LBs and UACs of the missing calibers.

Ease the game into new weapon tech, instead of dumping a whole bunch of new variables.

Edit: I suppose some IS-ERMLas and MRMs would need inclusion, though. :\ And ATM and Clan Heavy lasers.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 April 2016 - 04:17 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Seriously, can anyone see why the Linebacker would be a "OHHH we need to release that one" when in the same breathe you basically say "Kingfisher/Turkina are not worth releasing"? I mean come on.

[Pariah Devalis]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 April 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Seriously, can anyone see why the Linebacker would be a "OHHH we need to release that one" when in the same breathe you basically say "Kingfisher/Turkina are not worth releasing"? I mean come on.

I think very, very few people would get all hot and bothered for it. Some might. Then again, some get all excited for the Black Lanner, so....

But... if the mech has fans, I suppose the fans deserve the mech they want as much as the rest of us.

[ScarecrowES]

Pariah Devalis, on 13 April 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

I hear ya, man. I hear ya. Zero interest in the lawlbacker, but I don't really see another passable heavy omni right now. Where we really have options for good - or at least acceptable - omnis is in the medium bracket. Pouncer and Huntsman, dubiously the Phantom, not good but oddly popular the Badlanner.

Still don't get the hate on the Backer. I think most folks look at the history of MWO and remember that mechs with larger engines don't tend to perform well in the game, but then forget the major exception to that rule whereby if said mech gets good hardpoints it turns oddly good.

The Backer sits in that zone. Engine too big, yes. Buuuut... enough free tonnage and hardpoints to actually run popular loadouts for mechs at that tonnage or speed. It can run the more popular Hellbringer builds in a much smaller and more nimble package. Glorified medium? Maybe. Sized like a medium too, though, but armored like a heavy.

I think that this mech slots in where the Stormcrow used to sit in CW... fast striker, hunter/killer. Except where it was very easy for a Stormcrow to bite off more than it could chew, the Backer will be much more survivable. It's going to be a lot harder to deal with... smaller profile and much more armor.

[CK16]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 April 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Well, the Nova Cat at least would only need one variant modified, where the Mad Cat Mk. II would need 3 (that's over half) made up or modified. I don't know if you can can say they follow the same rule. I actually thought the Mad Cat mk. Ii was 3066 which is a little different then 3059. In any case, when the 4th mech is announced 3.5 months from now maybe they will be ready for a time jump? I just can't see the Linebacker being the second heavy that Russ wanted to release... I mean, I think Kingfisher/Turkina would even sell better than that hunk of junk, as they would definitely be more useful.

Eh personally I feel that is a large stretch to say the Turky or Kingfisher would sell better....very long strength IMO
Mk.II has a stigma against it, its not a bad mech in fact probably one of the better ones, as well it is rather popular far more then teh other 2 sorry, only the old wales dont care for it cause its not from the "classic" era, Mw4 many liked it form there.

The Nova Cat and Mad Cat Mk II are in the same boat. You could not claim one is fine and the other is not, that is extremely biased.

But can we not start this again please?

[Pariah Devalis]

ScarecrowES, on 13 April 2016 - 04:24 PM, said:

Still don't get the hate on the Backer. I think most folks look at the history of MWO and remember that mechs with larger engines don't tend to perform well in the game, but then forget the major exception to that rule whereby if said mech gets good hardpoints it turns oddly good.

The Backer sits in that zone. Engine too big, yes. Buuuut... enough free tonnage and hardpoints to actually run popular loadouts for mechs at that tonnage or speed. It can run the more popular Hellbringer builds in a much smaller and more nimble package. Glorified medium? Maybe. Sized like a medium too, though, but armored like a heavy.

I think that this mech slots in where the Stormcrow used to sit in CW... fast striker, hunter/killer. Except where it was very easy for a Stormcrow to bite off more than it could chew, the Backer will be much more survivable. It's going to be a lot harder to deal with... smaller profile and much more armor.

No... It fails in the pod space bracket. It's a one trick pony with only 11 tons of pod space when the armor is maxed out. What are you going to put on it, ERSlas? Maybe ERSLas and SRMs? It's extremely limited in what it can do. So is the Phantom (even further limited, really), and for the same reasons, but at least the Phantom has the argument going for it that it is a 40 ton mech. Black Lanner is 55 tons.... That might as well be a heavy mech. Incredibly underwhelming given the circumstances of its weight.

Edit:

It isn't that the Black Lanner would be useless, or even impossible to get some numbers up with. However it would take a very specific set of limited loadout options. Ballistics are not even a serious consideration with that sort of pod space, which is sad for a 55 ton mech, and also makes it rather boring to mess with in the mechlab. Relegated to smaller Lasers and Missiles. And that's it.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 13 April 2016 - 04:32 PM.

[Coralld]

CK16, on 13 April 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

The ones saying they would be OK with the Nova Cat have to accept they would need to make peace with the Mk.II then, cause you know if they did the Nova Cat then there would be no reason to hold back on the Mad Cat Mk.II then. Just IMO one can not say they are ok with one and not the other coming in at this point in time (meaning throwing time line WAY out the window).

Agreed, as much as I would like to have the Nova Cat be the next Heavie mech I also know it will not be as I stated earlier.

I have nothing against the Mad Cat MKII but it is a mech that will have to wait, just like the Nova Cat.

[Gas Guzzler]

CK16, on 13 April 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

Eh personally I feel that is a large stretch to say the Turky or Kingfisher would sell better....very long strength IMO
Mk.II has a stigma against it, its not a bad mech in fact probably one of the better ones, as well it is rather popular far more then teh other 2 sorry, only the old wales dont care for it cause its not from the "classic" era, Mw4 many liked it form there.

The Nova Cat and Mad Cat Mk II are in the same boat. You could not claim one is fine and the other is not, that is extremely biased.

But can we not start this again please?

You think the Linebacker would sell better than the Kingfisher or Turkina?

As for the Nova Cat vs Mad Cat Mk. II, I see the Nova Cat coming long before the Mad Cat Mk. II, I don't really put them in the same boat. Not biased as I actually want the Mad Cat Mk. II MORE than the Nova Cat.