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[lshtaria]

I couldn't resist buying the Roflman pack to finish off the "Alpha Lance" set of unseens (ggwp PGI, bye bye monies). I hate the Archer, it's ****. I like the Warhammer and I love the Marauder. For WHM vs MAD in the past I always preferred the MAD and I still do today in MWO. Anyway, enough of the misty eyed stuff.

You'll have to excuse the odd embarrassing performance but that's pug lyf. Here is my very first match in a Rofl... better than everything else so far during this event



I'm well aware the dice rolled well for me for that match. I also think I was extra lucky because glass cannons aren't something I usually do well in. I have slow reactions so twitch twisting/shooting is beyond my old man fingers.

Is the Roflman better than some of you give it credit for or is it really just a bit mediocre and nothing special and I enjoyed one of those one off matches where everything seemed to go right?

[Bishop Steiner]

Milocinia, on 08 April 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

I couldn't resist buying the Roflman pack to finish off the "Alpha Lance" set of unseens (ggwp PGI, bye bye monies). I hate the Archer, it's ****. I like the Warhammer and I love the Marauder. For WHM vs MAD in the past I always preferred the MAD and I still do today in MWO. Anyway, enough of the misty eyed stuff.

You'll have to excuse the odd embarrassing performance but that's pug lyf. Here is my very first match in a Rofl... better than everything else so far during this event



I'm well aware the dice rolled well for me for that match. I also think I was extra lucky because glass cannons aren't something I usually do well in. I have slow reactions so twitch twisting/shooting is beyond my old man fingers.

Is the Roflman better than some of you give it credit for or is it really just a bit mediocre and nothing special and I enjoyed one of those one off matches where everything seemed to go right?

I have learned to HATE the Legend Killer.

The quirks on the 3N are a beautiful thing, yeah it's a tad fragile, but it has GREAT mobility. And the AC quirks? that velocity boost is amazing, and the cooldown is very nice. I run mine with with 2xAC10, 5 tons ammo and 2x ML in the arms. LOVE it to death. Damage is kinda average, but that's because 2x AC10 is so good at coring things dead. It's currently my favorite IS Heavy.

3C I have not clicked with either (I run my 3C build better on the 3N, lol).

5D Is realyl cool for meta, and PPC or ERLL snipes amazingly well.

Overall, I like all RFL except the one RFL with structure buffs..... but the rest are great!

[lshtaria]

The thing that gets me about the RFL is that you're going to have to build it to run pretty slow for its weight, usually not much more than a 250-270 engine?. The Dragon was a speedy mofo back in the day but it never packed too great a punch until the Quirkpocalypse.

I think the speed is what concerns me most about the RFL but we'll see. Early days and I've still to launch that all important 2nd match. I don't dare

[Bishop Steiner]

Milocinia, on 08 April 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

The thing that gets me about the RFL is that you're going to have to build it to run pretty slow for its weight, usually not much more than a 250-270 engine?. The Dragon was a speedy mofo back in the day but it never packed too great a punch until the Quirkpocalypse.

I think the speed is what concerns me most about the RFL but we'll see. Early days and I've still to launch that all important 2nd match. I don't dare

I run 280 and 280xl on mine it's pretty perfect speed/mobility wise

Milocinia, on 08 April 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

The thing that gets me about the RFL is that you're going to have to build it to run pretty slow for its weight, usually not much more than a 250-270 engine?. The Dragon was a speedy mofo back in the day but it never packed too great a punch until the Quirkpocalypse.

I think the speed is what concerns me most about the RFL but we'll see. Early days and I've still to launch that all important 2nd match. I don't dare

the RFL is a little CT dmg biased, so one can pretty well run an XL on it. Especially the ones with mobility quirks. I run a 280 std on the LK, because it's a bit sluggish.

[Escef]

Milocinia, on 08 April 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

I hate the Archer, it's ****.

Original Twitch highlight: https://www.twitch.tv/escef/v/55664749

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 08 April 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

Original Twitch highlight: https://www.twitch.tv/escef/v/55664749

I want to like the Archer. the 5W is pretty ok. The others can be OK, but they don't really do what they iconically do.... Blast things with LRM20s and LRM15s particularly well. So tired of SRM Archers, or laser vomit archers.

Also, the in game model? Beyond gorgeous!!!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 April 2016 - 06:12 PM.

[Chados]

I run a variant of Bishop Steiner's build on my 3NS. I downgraded the XL280 to an XL255 and dropped a half ton of AC10 ammo. You only give up 1 kph speed and gain the weight to pack full armor but for two points and an AMS.

It's...an interesting build. It is much more survivable than I would have guessed, honestly. It's on par with a Wolverine, roughly, and until the Rifleman was released I was a Quarantine driver :) . I've said before that I'd be happy if we could get just a little bit of structure buffage but it's not going to doom the mech to my dustbin if that doesn't happen. The "Ecclesiastical" 3N variant is my favorite of the Riflemen, honestly, though among the other four I like them all equally. I have over twenty years of history with the Rifleman, and if it had been out when I first started the game I probably wouldn't have bought anything else :)

In 76 total matches in the 3N and 3NS I have racked up the same amount of damage as in 202 matches with my Jester, which was my first heavy class hero mech and my introduction mech into direct fire techniques when I transitioned out of being a primary LRMer. The 3N can be nasty when used properly. I find that it does very well as a midrange brawler, which is my preferred play style. You have to have your head in the game and use cover...including other mechs as cover...because the 3N is armored in tinfoil and with an XL it's not going to take a major beating, but I put 10 armor on the rear torsos and survived an SRM gank from a Jenner IIC on Viridian Bog tonight. I never expected that.

The 5D is much like a smaller Jester and I play it similarly, as a midrange laser brawler.

The 3C I run a slightly modified lore build, with endo, Ferro, and DHS. It carries 70 rounds. It's a touch more survivable in the pug queue but not much, which surprises me.

The LK is an up close brawler with the LBX 10s. It's recycle rate with modules is scary fast and you can rip armor off in a very short time. It isn't as handy as the others but can take more hits.

Edited by Chados, 08 April 2016 - 08:04 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Chados, on 08 April 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

I run a variant of Bishop Steiner's build on my 3NS. I downgraded the XL280 to an XL255 and dropped a half ton of AC10 ammo. You only give up 1 kph speed and gain the weight to pack full armor but for two points and an AMS.

It's...an interesting build. It is much more survivable than I would have guessed, honestly. It's on par with a Wolverine, roughly, and until the Rifleman was released I was a Quarantine driver . I've said before that I'd be happy if we could get just a little bit of structure buffage but it's not going to doom the mech to my dustbin if that doesn't happen. The "Ecclesiastical" 3N variant is my favorite of the Riflemen, honestly, though among the other four I like them all equally. I have over twenty years of history with the Rifleman, and if it had been out when I first started the game I probably wouldn't have bought anything else

In 76 total matches in the 3N and 3NS I have racked up the same amount of damage as in 202 matches with my Jester, which was my first heavy class hero mech and my introduction mech into direct fire techniques when I transitioned out of being a primary LRMer. The 3N can be nasty when used properly. I find that it does very well as a midrange brawler, which is my preferred play style. You have to have your head in the game and use cover...including other mechs as cover...because the 3N is armored in tinfoil and with an XL it's not going to take a major beating, but I put 10 armor on the rear torsos and survived an SRM gank from a Jenner IIC on Viridian Bog tonight. I never expected that.

The 5D is much like a smaller Jester and I play it similarly, as a midrange laser brawler.

The 3C I run a slightly modified lore build, with endo, Ferro, and DHS. It carries 70 rounds. It's a touch more survivable in the pug queue but not much, which surprises me.

The LK is an up close brawler with the LBX 10s. It's recycle rate with modules is scary fast and you can rip armor off in a very short time. It isn't as handy as the others but can take more hits.

Nice, though you actually lose 7 kph going down to a 255. Still decent though.

The LK is a terrible mix, IMO. Very sluggish mech, armament designed to CQB. The structure buffs are a joke. I'd trade em for mobility, in a heartbeat.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 April 2016 - 08:31 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 April 2016 - 08:23 PM, said:

Nice, though you actually lose 7 kph going down to a 255. Still decent though.

The LK is a terrible mix, IMO. Very sluggish mech, armament designed to CQB. The structure buffs are a joke. I'd trade em for mobility, in a heartbeat.

It's not a shoot-and-scoot 'Mech, that's for sure. It's a charger or a holding 'Mech. Would I take it over a 3N? Probably not, but for me that's simply because the 3N has more guns on it and the 2xAC/5 + 6xML build is really hard to argue against considering the armaments on other variants. Only the 5D has comparable firepower.

That said, the LK is currently my best-performing variant by a decent bit in terms of KDR, but the 3N is winning by a huge margin in terms of WLR. It's a dead-heat for average damage.

My LK is currently doing the LB-10X thing.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 08 April 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

It's not a shoot-and-scoot 'Mech, that's for sure. It's a charger or a holding 'Mech. Would I take it over a 3N? Probably not, but for me that's simply because the 3N has more guns on it and the 2xAC/5 + 6xML build is really hard to argue against considering the armaments on other variants. Only the 5D has comparable firepower.

That said, the LK is currently my best-performing variant by a decent bit in terms of KDR, but the 3N is winning by a huge margin in terms of WLR. It's a dead-heat for average damage.

My LK is currently doing the LB-10X thing.

I tried it, it's the only one I had to go STD on, it just can't spread dmg for crap. .64 W/L (the Dev Drops earlier tonight surely didn't help that, lol) and a .43 KDr. It's just.. bad. Fortunately, the basics are done, so I can shelve it.

RFL-3N Bishop is not amazing compared to other mechs I own, but it's a lot of fun to drive, feels great, is mobile and packs a mean punch. I think it's the best AC10 carrier in the game. (One could make a case for the CN9-D, but it's only capable of one) I've got an oddly matching 1.44 W/L and KDr on it. I only just unlocked Speed Tweak, mind you, so it's still far from coming into it's own (still gets a little too warm too quick with the mediums, for instance) but it lay's down dual ac10 shells at a prodigious pace. And with that 40% velocity boost, it's capable of getting decent range, to boot. I'm only averaging 313 dmg, but I find good PP-FLD mechs in my hands usually are low damge, and end up high KDr, because they kill efficiently.

It's a tad fragile, but it's a Rifleman, it's supposed to be. Play it like what it is (an obese Medium) and that's not really an issue. I don't think it's a "Carry Harder" chassis on it's own (without obscene tweaks what 60 tonner is?) but it's a great mech for moving all over the battlefront and supporting teammates.

I also lose arms a fair bit which tells me they are doing their job, intercepting incoming fire. IDK. I like it. It's kind of a shame I'm liking an RFL more than my long time go to, the Warhammer, or the Marauder or the Archer. Who knew? Of course, ever since Ilya, I've been hooked on dual ac10 carriers, so maybe I should have expected?

[LastKhan]

I made this and waited for a thread to pop up again. Ruffleman!

[lshtaria]

LastKhan, on 08 April 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

I made this and waited for a thread to pop up again. Ruffleman!

I want a packet

[Random Carnage]

Was I the only one watching the friendly fire going into the backs of his teamies and cringing?

[lshtaria]

Random Carnage, on 09 April 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

Was I the only one watching the friendly fire going into the backs of his teamies and cringing?

No, I made myself cringe I'm not normally that bad, honest. Just getting used to the Rofl's weapon placements...

[Chados]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 April 2016 - 08:23 PM, said:

Nice, though you actually lose 7 kph going down to a 255. Still decent though.

The LK is a terrible mix, IMO. Very sluggish mech, armament designed to CQB. The structure buffs are a joke. I'd trade em for mobility, in a heartbeat.

Yeah, I was reading the numbers in the warehouse, which don't reflect speed tweak. Oops.

[Bishop Steiner]

Random Carnage, on 09 April 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

Was I the only one watching the friendly fire going into the backs of his teamies and cringing?

Milocinia, on 09 April 2016 - 02:48 AM, said:

No, I made myself cringe I'm not normally that bad, honest. Just getting used to the Rofl's weapon placements...

For some reason, be it the cockpit position or what, I do notice the weapon placement/convergence is more likely to wing a neighbor than in my Jagermech. Been shots I would have called as "clear" in almost anything I won not called EBJ or DWF that do some FF. Accidentally took Tina's arm off that way last night, tbh (although in fairness she did give a few of us some accidental samples of her Gauss Sauce!).

[Beartech]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

Accidentally took Tina's arm off that way last night, tbh (although in fairness she did give a few of us some accidental samples of her Gauss Sauce!).

LOL that was funny ;p I will now from this point forward rename my mechs with Gauss, Gauss Sauce

Edited by Beartech, 09 April 2016 - 06:32 AM.

[lshtaria]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

For some reason, be it the cockpit position or what, I do notice the weapon placement/convergence is more likely to wing a neighbor than in my Jagermech. Been shots I would have called as "clear" in almost anything I won not called EBJ or DWF that do some FF. Accidentally took Tina's arm off that way last night, tbh (although in fairness she did give a few of us some accidental samples of her Gauss Sauce!).

Same field of view but wide arms

[Nyte Kitsune]

LIke any mech, it all depends on the individual pilots skill, some, like Bishop, do well in one, I myself do pretty well in one, do agree with you too Bishop, as much as I like the Legend Killer, it's just not as good as the 3N. As for my 3N mine Packs an AC 20, 2 MG's and 4 Medium Lasers. I had someone laugh at me for building it that way (He had died early in the match and was watching from my cockpit at the time) until he saw me kill 3 mechs in a row with it.

Though its not as brawly as my Marauder 3R (which has the same loadout), it still does better than most people would expect. BTW, if you like the idea of the Build, try it yourself. If anything its fun to use.

[Escef]

On the topic of the Rifleman, the most success I've had with it is the 3C using a 280XL, 2xAC10, 2xMG, and 4xSL.