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[Tru3insanity]

Whelp ive played a couple 100 matches total with a variety of mechs and weight classes and I have to say im not terribly pleased with how rewards are done.

As far as I can tell the only important thing is damage of any kind. Kills, scouting, tactical maneuvers (namely flanking and hit and run) and objectives (like capping in conquest) are not well rewarded.

The problem that bothers me about this is that damage is not the most important thing in this game, not even close. 500 damage spread across many targets is nowhere near as useful as planting 20-50 into the back of an assault and killing it but the one who does the 500 will be rewarded far better than the one who does the 50.

Mostly this is an issue with lights. I didnt really care about this until i bought my Locust-1V today and plopped one lonely ER large laser in it and went to go have some fun. I find im not dissatisfied with my performance. I average 150-300 damage but i almost always get a kill or one or two most damage assists and I am very happy with the effect my harrassment has on the enemy and Ive not once been instagibbed and often im the last one alive and sometimes the highest score on the team (makes me cringe a little for my team but still) What I am unhappy with is the abysmal rewards even if i kill far more than my weight because the damage is always low.

So my proposal is that we have a tonnage disparity bonus. If i kill a direwolf in my 20 ton locust that should mean a lot more than if I kill something like a centurion in a timberwolf. Maybe have it just be a multiplier on top of the damage and kill itself.

If i go and i take the time to scout out my approach, plan my route and approach and actually succeed at sneaking up behind and swiping a dire wolf (the one time i did this he was less than 20 feet from yet another direwolf and I soloed this sucker without the other direwolf noticing) I damn well want to be well rewarded.

The only problem i could see with this is that assaults would never have the bonus but I think they more than make up for that fact by bringing enough guns to rack up a thousand damage and slaughter many hordes of mechs, if they pull that off I doubt they are hurting for rewards.

[El Bandito]

Actually damage is not rewarded much in terms of C-Bills and XP. Kills and assists (especially savior kill) are worth much more. Damage is only reflected excessively in the match score.

I personally want damage to result in less match score, but more XP. Of course, things like spotting, scouting, TAG/NARC bonus should also be boosted.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 April 2016 - 01:27 AM.

[EurakaLi]

narc bonus plz more narc is great

Edited by EurakaLi, 14 April 2016 - 01:29 AM.

[Tru3insanity]

I know that I guess i should have elaborated a bit more. Solo kills and savior kills pay the most by far for a single item but they are nowhere near enough to pay up the disparity my locust would have killing that direwolf with 50 damage than someone else would have just spewing 500 damage worth of Lurms downfield and never killing anything.

There is also the fact that if you are spewing damage like that you are likely to have a large amount of assists than if you have to take a painstaking amount of care planning any bit of exposure to get those kills.

I mostly mean this to make up for those underloved lights with less than overwhelming armament whose kills have a huge impact but arent rewarded very well because they have to work incredibly hard to get that one kill.

I dont really think i should have to go out of my way to hit as many targets as i can at least once to get enough assists to make a decent amount of money, thats a waste of my potential as a light. Far better to focus on taking a mech much larger and more potent than me out. So why not reward it?

Edited by Pugno Divinitatem, 14 April 2016 - 01:39 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

ok i know what you want to achieve.
But shouldn't the tonnage disparity kick in every time? What about Gargoyle - TimberWolf

Considering Kills - well there is only one Kill and Solo is it name - solo kill or it didn't happen

Edited by Karl Streiger, 14 April 2016 - 01:41 AM.

[Tru3insanity]

It should kick in for any tonnage that kills a larger mech. So it wouldnt kick in for a timby killing my locust but it would kick in if the timby kills the gargoyle or atlas or something. and the Disparity bonus would scale by how much larger/heavier the mech is so it would benefit lights the most and assaults the least.

It would be balanced by the fact that as you go up in tonnage mechs become far more capable of dishing out damage and securing the necessary kills and assists to make sufficient income. Assaults dont really need the bonus but it would still kick in for a lighter assault like a gargoyle killing a heavier assault like an atlas.

The multiplier for such similar tonnage would be small but the multiplier for a huge disparity like my locust VS direwolf example would be much larger. It might give a reason for people to play the less used lights and mediums. Im all for anything that brings more variation in mech types we see.

Edited by Pugno Divinitatem, 14 April 2016 - 01:52 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Pugno Divinitatem, on 14 April 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

It would be balanced by the fact that as you go up in tonnage mechs become far more capable of dishing out damage and securing the necessary kills and assists to make sufficient income. Assaults dont really need the bonus but it would still kick in for a lighter assault like a gargoyle killing a heavier assault like an atlas.

Admiral Ackbar could have helped you here

Gargoyle may have more weight but its not more powerful - heck even my Stormcrow is as capable as my Gargoyle in dishing out damage.

[Tru3insanity]

lol i know how strange in a bad way the gargoyle is. an 80 ton assault with all its guns in the low slung arms. I was more using the gargoyle as an example for how the bonus would work from assault to assault. I never said that all assaults are better than lighter mechs. just that they have more capacity for damage and kills simply by way of their armament than smaller mechs.

There are good and bad mechs in all weight brackets and classes and the gargoyle just happens to be a very sad assault lol and the stormcrow happens to be a very good medium but in most cases heavies and assaults if played well dont have too much issue racking up kills and damage compared to their much lighter cousins and if you kill an atlas in a stormcrow then u deserve a healthy paycheck. lol.

Edited by Pugno Divinitatem, 14 April 2016 - 02:01 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

i know that several similar discussions did take part in the past.
in general you can reduce all those discussion to the bottom line : "Payment sucks"

I didn't have driven a light for years... last time i did i have to pay for its repair, that was the only reason to drive a light.
So you can also add a "factor" that normalize the damage based on the tonnage or any other value.

For example - the damage modifer may be a 5 for a LCT-1V (means for every 5dmg dealt you don't get 100-Cbill but 500)
so a Atlas may get a 0.5 or a TimberWOlf a 0.2 modifer - while a Gargoyle could still have a 1.2 or similar.

So a payment based on MechTiers.

[-Vompo-]

Something like this would be great if we didn't have mechs that punch way above their weight.
I'd buy a jenner instantly for c-bill showers if something like this would make it into the game.

[Tru3insanity]

i would much rather have it pay by kills than damage. Just paying damage promotes terrible sloppy play but i would probably amend it to solo kills to prevent any killstealers from reaping the benefit by just getting the last shot in. Ive only played maybe 20 matches in my locust but ive already gotten many solo kills in a variety of weight brackets so its perfectly doable even for a 20 ton speck with legs with one laser.

You should be rewarded for removing a "superior" mech from the battlefield not just haphazardly spewing damage. It incentivizes risktaking and rewards skillful play.

[Tru3insanity]

there are tradeoffs for those mechs that punch way above their weight. There are still plenty of things that can go wrong between you and your target. In fact i like jenners they are delicious. I make it a point to chase them down and ruin their day in my locust. What can i say. Ive got balls. But ive killed several already.

And not all assaults are going to just let you easily get behind them. Many of them stick in groups with their heavies and many lighter mechs escort or protect them. And i still say if you kill them in ur jenner you still deserve your paycheck. Im not sure if you play lights but they are hardly easy to play. Even with that huge alpha you still have to plan everything, scout it out make sure he doesnt have buddies plan ur entry and escape etc. Its a lot more involved that you might think.