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[Aresye]

As some of you know, I like to run a 2 CERPPC Summoner build. One of the few viable configurations for the chassis (IMO), however it tends to have a problem with getting its left arm shot off, and the reason is pretty simple:



What?!

Look at that thing! It's GIGANTIC. Like, "This mech cannot stand upright and instead will topple over to the left," type gigantic. I'd like to think it looks comical, but any amount of humor found in it is quickly replaced with just simple frustration that this is another consequence of PGI's weapon mount system, which is in dire need of fixing. Not just for this abomination, but for many other mechs as well.

It can be hit from every angle, so you can't twist to shield it. It has no structure quirks, so it doesn't take much damage to rip it off. Putting the CERPPCs in separate arms means you have to sacrifice a much needed heat sink, in addition to completely ruining any chance of leading targets due to the wide convergence.

Is there any way this arm could get scaled down a tad? Or perhaps some structure quirks?

[TheCharlatan]

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[Mcgral18]

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Is there any way this arm could get scaled down a tad? Or perhaps some structure quirks?

I think that's the trade off.


You get Gauss speed ERPPCs, and if you throw them in the same arm, you do not get the benefit of Structure quirks (as the Prime right arm does).


Not against a change, but I think the arm looks good.


It does stick out forward a tad too much, though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

As some of you know, I like to run a 2 CERPPC Summoner build. One of the few viable configurations for the chassis (IMO), however it tends to have a problem with getting its left arm shot off, and the reason is pretty simple:



What?!

Look at that thing! It's GIGANTIC. Like, "This mech cannot stand upright and instead will topple over to the left," type gigantic. I'd like to think it looks comical, but any amount of humor found in it is quickly replaced with just simple frustration that this is another consequence of PGI's weapon mount system, which is in dire need of fixing. Not just for this abomination, but for many other mechs as well.

It can be hit from every angle, so you can't twist to shield it. It has no structure quirks, so it doesn't take much damage to rip it off. Putting the CERPPCs in separate arms means you have to sacrifice a much needed heat sink, in addition to completely ruining any chance of leading targets due to the wide convergence.

Is there any way this arm could get scaled down a tad? Or perhaps some structure quirks?

Dude.... hell to the no. So tired of people wanting mechs to look like crap. Sorry but SMN ain't gonna meta...don't steal my looks too!

TheCharlatan, on 20 April 2016 - 10:15 AM, said:

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Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 April 2016 - 10:29 AM.

[Aresye]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 April 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

Dude.... hell to the no. So tired of people wanting mechs to look like crap. Sorry but SMN ain't gonna meta...don't steal my looks too!

The meta is the Gauss+CERPPC, right sided poke, so the SMN is already meta enough for a poptart jump sniper.

The image doesn't really do it justice. It looks a lot worse in-game as the mech is moving around, and has a massively cartoonish vibe to it.

Best comparison I can find:

[Deathlike]

Pray for the Summoner-M so you can worry less about this issue.

[Mcgral18]

http://s31.postimg.o...16_13_57_06.jpg

That's the link you need to add the tags to.

[kapusta11]

Would be great if you could slap enemy mechs with it.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 20 April 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

Pray for the Summoner-M so you can worry less about this issue.

Well, same convergence issues, but Gauss+PPC would be fine, with less sync'd projectiles

[Scout Derek]

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

The meta is the Gauss+CERPPC, right sided poke, so the SMN is already meta enough for a poptart jump sniper.

The image doesn't really do it justice. It looks a lot worse in-game as the mech is moving around, and has a massively cartoonish vibe to it.

Best comparison I can find:

Leave the Summoner As Is. It's a Shock Trooper of sorts in this game, and as well as that, I really don't want, "nipple" PPCs on my Summoner's arms when many other mechs have been affected by it (Example, Awesome)

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

[Coolant]

Summoned is my favorite mech...theyve buffed it a couple of times which I appreciate. But until it has at least 5 energy hardpoints or higher mounted weapons it will be hard to be competitive, at least for me.

[Aresye]

Scout Derek, on 20 April 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

Leave the Summoner As Is. It's a Shock Trooper of sorts in this game, and as well as that, I really don't want, "nipple" PPCs on my Summoner's arms when many other mechs have been affected by it (Example, Awesome)

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

I'm not talking about making them small. I'm talking about making it "normal" sized. Something closer to the lore.

[Scout Derek]

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not talking about making them small. I'm talking about making it "normal" sized. Something closer to the lore.

Then I guess we should also change the size on the Timberwolf, the Hellbringer, and any other clan mech that uses that same recycled arm then.

[Snowbluff]

Scout Derek, on 20 April 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

Then I guess we should also change the size on the Timberwolf, the Hellbringer, and any other clan mech that uses that same recycled arm then.

Hahahha... that's not the arm, mate. Summoners has stupid looking asymmetric arms. That arm is on the other side.

It's not really recycled, either. They have the same basic shape, but if you examine them, the heavier mech have significantly more armor on them.

[Bishop Steiner]

Coolant, on 20 April 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

Summoned is my favorite mech...theyve buffed it a couple of times which I appreciate. But until it has at least 5 energy hardpoints or higher mounted weapons it will be hard to be competitive, at least for me.

Or endo or (shudders) big time ammo quirks

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not talking about making them small. I'm talking about making it "normal" sized. Something closer to the lore.

So somehow.... adding a second magically makes the PPC quintuple in size? Because my mechlab images and yours disagree. PPC looks fantastic on my screen.

[Aresye]

Scout Derek, on 20 April 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

Then I guess we should also change the size on the Timberwolf, the Hellbringer, and any other clan mech that uses that same recycled arm then.

The HBR and TBR both have shorter lengths than the Summoner arm:


All three mechs were configured by stripping the right arm entirely of weapons, and putting 2 CERPPCs in the left arm. Both the right and left sides were aligned in order to get as accurate a profile shot as possible. I then took each screenshot into photoshop and used the rulers in 1/16in increments in order to measure each individual length.

There is no denying it. The Summoner's arm is 40% longer than the average of the TBR and HBR.

Edited by Aresye, 20 April 2016 - 12:33 PM.

[FupDup]

Compromise: Make the PPC model shorter in exchange for increasing its diameter?

[Mcgral18]

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

The HBR and TBR both have shorter lengths than the Summoner arm:


All three mechs were configured by stripping the right arm entirely of weapons, and putting 2 CERPPCs in the left arm. Both the right and left sides were aligned in order to get as accurate a profile shot as possible. I then took each screenshot into photoshop and used the rulers in 1/16in increments in order to measure each individual length.

There is no denying it. The Summoner's arm is 40% longer than the average of the TBR and HBR.

...I'm imagining you taking a literal physical ruler to your monitor, and it's amusing me.


If they're different sizes, that is odd, and against the typical LegoMech™ construction. All different, as a matter of fact.

[Ghogiel]

Clearly the issue is that the TBR and the HBR PPCs are just way too small.

[Bishop Steiner]

the SMN barrels are micro-metrically longer.

The perception is that the TBR and MDD have their arms parked far back with long torsos, and even the HBR has a long CT protrusion, whereas the SMN is thin and flat from the side giving meaning more arm is exposed.

It is, for all practical purposes, the same size, though.

Aresye, on 20 April 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

The HBR and TBR both have shorter lengths than the Summoner arm:


All three mechs were configured by stripping the right arm entirely of weapons, and putting 2 CERPPCs in the left arm. Both the right and left sides were aligned in order to get as accurate a profile shot as possible. I then took each screenshot into photoshop and used the rulers in 1/16in increments in order to measure each individual length.

There is no denying it. The Summoner's arm is 40% longer than the average of the TBR and HBR.

And if you are putting them into the LA, that's a you issue as the "ballistic" base makes everything just out more in the LA.

Use the RA and VOILA no issue.

FupDup, on 20 April 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

Compromise: Make the PPC model shorter in exchange for increasing its diameter?

or put PPCs into RA instead of the already larger base LA?