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[Rinkata Prime]

Only groups of 12 players must be allowed to join Faction queue, all others must participate in solo queue - this change would drastically improve match making.
Also this change will force players to use LFG to form up a 12 player groups.
But it would require an update for LFG. It have to show up message (like FP ones), that there are (amount) groups looking for new players for (game mode).

I have bored to play in Match Waiting Online.

Edited by Rinkata Kimiku, 08 May 2016 - 12:05 AM.

[MischiefSC]

Problem is your faction.

Nobody wants to play against CJF while the event is going on and lemmings are feeding wins to the Clan front making it impossible for Steiners limited units to keep up.

So with the scouting driving up to LT in no time because lemmings for event losing 90% or more against even the worst Clan pugs there's no motivation for them to play with you.

It's sorta the problem - you've got to have people who want to play with you now.

[Rinkata Prime]

Today it is my faction, next day, it'll be yours.
Blaming faction is not a solution.

[MischiefSC]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 07 May 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

Today it is my faction, next day, it'll be yours.
Blaming faction is not a solution.

Every faction has had something similar. Especially when you're winning. Fortunately Davion is the sweet, sweet nectar of the gods and someone always wants a piece of this delicious Davion goodness.

The mechanics driving the issue have nothing, at all, to do with groups. It's Long Tom. Remove LT and you'll have Steiners back in Invasion queue the next day.

[Rinkata Prime]

Remove LT.... omg... I'll better remove casual players from the game.
If you don't like Long Tom, do not allow others to take it, go play scout mode.

And Jade Falcon invasion is the only one planet per attack phase.
There are at least two more planets where clanners united to defend - and situation is the same.

Edited by Rinkata Kimiku, 07 May 2016 - 11:11 PM.

[PholkLorr]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 07 May 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

Remove LT.... omg... I'll better remove casual players from the game.
If you don't like Long Tom, do not allow others to take it, go play scout mode.

And Jade Falcon invasion is the only one planet per attack phase.
There are at least two more planets where clanners united to defend - and situation is the same.

By that logic, you should also be fine if Long Tom instantly wiped out an entire 12man squad. Afterall, "if you don't like Long Tom, don't let your enemy get it."

[Rinkata Prime]

PholkLorr, on 07 May 2016 - 11:28 PM, said:

By that logic, you should also be fine if Long Tom instantly wiped out an entire 12man squad. Afterall, "if you don't like Long Tom, don't let your enemy get it."

It does not wipe out 12 man squad, not now and not before.

During this event I had encountered lots of groups of very strong IS pilots in scout mode.
In most cases, my group has no chance to win. If other IS players go and play like that, Long Tom would be on your side.

[MischiefSC]

Broken logic is broken.

So a bad mechanic is okay so long as either side can use it? Like when PPCs were OP as ****?

LT is broken, no interest in playing with or against it. I've had LT on my side a couple times, never had it against me. I'll never do so again; I may as well have been a bag of sand. A sack of unwashed potatoes can win a match with LT going. All LT does is shut down Invasion queue until Scout queue is balanced. The only impact it has, the only one at all, is reduce the number of people playing. Telling people 'go play what you don't enjoy for a while so you can play what you do' doesn't work.

Go check your queues to see the proof of that.

So when Crows get nerfed (which is coming, have absolutely no doubt) and suddenly 2Ns, Shads and IS mechs are dominating the scout queue then what? So when the top tier mercs who are actually driving the wins for CJF leave and suddenly you simply don't have the numbers to ever, at any point, dig out of 90% scouting and you can either play scouting 100% of the time (and still never win as fast as the pugs on your border are losing) so you're always playing LT in invasion, then what?

It's a bad mechanic. A stupid one. It implies, falsely, that populations are matched at the same time. It lets you guarantee wins via winning in scout queue, which is moderately broken at the moment for most players.

Given PGIs tendency to leave stuff broken for 6-18 months on average what you can actually expect is to only ever get ghost drops in CJF, until the mercs are on the IS side, at which point you can either play Scouting (and lose 80% of the time) or play Invasion with LT against you... and lose 95% of the time.

[Count Zero 74]

Forget it Mischief, it's pointless to reason with a Clanner. They don't breed them for brains you know.

[Lord0fHats]

I'm confused. Thread is titled "remove groups from faction play", OP says "only allow groups of 12 can join faction play"?

[Jon Gotham]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 07 May 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Only groups of 12 players must be allowed to join Faction queue, all others must participate in solo queue - this change would drastically improve match making.
Also this change will force players to use LFG to form up a 12 player groups.
But it would require an update for LFG. It have to show up message (like FP ones), that there are (amount) groups looking for new players for (game mode).

I have bored to play in Match Waiting Online.

The problem lies not with groups.
It lies with attitude of the playerbase.

[Willard Phule]

I agree with the original topic. REMOVE ORGANIZED GROUPS FROM FW!

This is the best idea I've heard in a long time.

Look, FW might have been "end game content" on paper, but once PGI got a chance to put it into action.....FW became the repository for every mouthbreathing, drooling newb in the game. It's a Romper Room.

So, the solution? Get rid of organized players and owned/customized mechs. Make FW for new players ONLY and make it so you can ONLY drop in trial mechs.

I think we've got a winner here.

[BattleBunny]

I dont get why people scout to get the long tom. It results in empty queues and ghost drops.

If you want to have fun games in your attack lane, make sure your enemy has fun games defending in your attack lane. Because then they will come back for more.

Getting the Long-Tom on either side is ultimatly self defeating, as the queues will go empty.

edit: on topic:
making it 12 men teams or solo is not practical. An 12 men team has to go to LFG to replace any one that leaves, so it will still bring solo players, just takes more work. the queue will be an endless wait, hoping another 12 men team is out there on the other side. meanwhile the solo players will decide the fate of the battle.

Edited by BattleBunny, 08 May 2016 - 06:06 AM.

[Spider00x]

MischiefSC, on 07 May 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

Problem is your faction.

Nobody wants to play against CJF while the event is going on and lemmings are feeding wins to the Clan front making it impossible for Steiners limited units to keep up.

So with the scouting driving up to LT in no time because lemmings for event losing 90% or more against even the worst Clan pugs there's no motivation for them to play with you.

It's sorta the problem - you've got to have people who want to play with you now.

Preach

[Davegt27]

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Only groups of 12 players must be allowed to join Faction queue, all others must participate in solo queue - this change would drastically improve match making.
Also this change will force players to use LFG to form up a 12 player groups.
But it would require an update for LFG. It have to show up message (like FP ones), that there are (amount) groups looking for new players for (game mode).

I have bored to play in Match Waiting Online.

Edited by Rinkata Kimiku, Today, 02:05 AM.

worth a try lets do it

[L3mming2]

Rinkata Kimiku, on 07 May 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

Remove LT.... omg... I'll better remove casual players from the game.
If you don't like Long Tom, do not allow others to take it, go play scout mode.

And Jade Falcon invasion is the only one planet per attack phase.
There are at least two more planets where clanners united to defend - and situation is the same.

there is a second option drop in 1 of the 4 other ques where the ennemy dous not have the lt==> thats why you cant get games. its funny but if u want to actualy play invasion you better make shure u dont have the lt...