101 replies to this topic

[Zibmo]

Silas7, on 18 May 2016 - 04:31 PM, said:

With so many assaults running right now damage counts are inflated. I think we all need to just settle down and give the player base some time to readjust and playtest, before something is decided. Otherwise over-correction is bound to happen.

I appreciate the tone of your argument. Unfortunately, even after we settle down, we are likely to see things like the cheetah or firestarter debacles (months of "settling down") or worse, nailing the KDK like they did the Victor. How often do you see Victors out there?

So, Blizzard called. They'd like their ten pound nerf sledge back.

[Pezzer]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 May 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

The Spirit Bear does really not need a nerf...

First match.
Group queue.
Group of 3.
No pilot skills.
964 damage. I should've gotten a screenshot.

It really needs a nerf. Imo having a torso twist boost of 5%, and 10% to accel/decel would probably be perfect.

[Mavairo]

I dunno yet because I've not collected enough wrecked ones yet

My Atlases and Battlemasters are still gettin me some bear skin rugs...I tried getting Tubby, the Not Awesome in on the action...but Tubby is still Not Awesome. Fortunately I have two great assault mechs to get my rugs and salvage with... obviously the cbill boosting variant I'll use the hell out of when I buy the pack. Other than that..dunno

[Bishop Steiner]

Mavairo, on 18 May 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

I dunno yet because I've not collected enough wrecked ones yet

My Atlases and Battlemasters are still gettin me some bear skin rugs...I tried getting Tubby, the Not Awesome in on the action...but Tubby is still Not Awesome. Fortunately I have two great assault mechs to get my rugs and salvage with... obviously the cbill boosting variant I'll use the hell out of when I buy the pack. Other than that..dunno

But haven't you heard? The KDK is an OP unstoppable force of nature!!! MUST NERF PLOX!!!!!!

[Mavairo]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 May 2016 - 07:08 PM, said:

But haven't you heard? The KDK is an OP unstoppable force of nature!!! MUST NERF PLOX!!!!!!

Someone needs to tell my Phoenix 1G BLR that. It's clearly not caught the memo. Farmin my way up the tiers. Even turned on some premium time for some sweet sweet cbill showers (Fun fact..I have like 10 months of premium time..not counting what the Cyclops is gonna gimme lol)

[Bishop Steiner]

Mavairo, on 18 May 2016 - 08:53 PM, said:

Someone needs to tell my Phoenix 1G BLR that. It's clearly not caught the memo. Farmin my way up the tiers. Even turned on some premium time for some sweet sweet cbill showers (Fun fact..I have like 10 months of premium time..not counting what the Cyclops is gonna gimme lol)

Tier 3 bro, once you git gud you'll understand....

[xXBagheeraXx]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 18 May 2016 - 08:53 AM, said:

The highlander isn't awful these days... it's just... JJ are so useless that you may as well bring an atlas.



Get off my LAN you whipper snapper

The IS highlander actually handles nicely now, The jumpjets do suck tho...

[FuDawg]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 May 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

The hand holders seem to be crying in force about KDK OP, so you know what that means...in about 2 weeks we will probably see them nerfed into obscurity. Yes it took months for the ACH, but it seems like they are going a bit faster of late. And popularity of chassis is no protection, just look at the Highlander which it is safe to say was the single most anticipated and begged for Mech...and has been on the back of a Milk Carton for the last 2 years.

So because the alternative of "Git Gud" (learn to twist and hold you fire control ) is not acceptable, the wise man foresees the coming calamity and plans accordingly.

For me? It's going to probably end up my KDK-4 Stink Bear
a pair of StinkFists for the #1/2 firegroups, and a doubleDakka 2xUAC10 for the 3rd.

Still good speed and mobility (unless they nerf it too) with decent enough heat control. Not near as straightforward as the KDK3s, or as fun and fast as the Spirit Bear, but I'm just being pragmatic. We've finally gotten to the point where Gyrok is right (took most of 2 years to get there, mind you): The Clans can't have nice things.

So, how do you plan to salvage your 20-75$ purchase in the coming BearNerf Apocalypse?

I'll be the first to jump on the "Bash PGI Bandwagon"... but... in all honesty even I think you are jumping the gun just a bit here. It's just a mech.

xXBagheeraXx, on 18 May 2016 - 09:57 PM, said:

Typing "GG" on a 12-0 wipe does not make you a good sport...It makes you a d0uche...

ROFLOL!!! Man I got a team mate that you would along with FAMOUSLY!!

[PraetorGix]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 May 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

The hand holders seem to be crying in force about KDK OP, so you know what that means...in about 2 weeks we will probably see them nerfed into obscurity. Yes it took months for the ACH, but it seems like they are going a bit faster of late. And popularity of chassis is no protection, just look at the Highlander which it is safe to say was the single most anticipated and begged for Mech...and has been on the back of a Milk Carton for the last 2 years.

So because the alternative of "Git Gud" (learn to twist and hold you fire control ) is not acceptable, the wise man foresees the coming calamity and plans accordingly.

For me? It's going to probably end up my KDK-4 Stink Bear
a pair of StinkFists for the #1/2 firegroups, and a doubleDakka 2xUAC10 for the 3rd.

Still good speed and mobility (unless they nerf it too) with decent enough heat control. Not near as straightforward as the KDK3s, or as fun and fast as the Spirit Bear, but I'm just being pragmatic. We've finally gotten to the point where Gyrok is right (took most of 2 years to get there, mind you): The Clans can't have nice things.

So, how do you plan to salvage your 20-75$ purchase in the coming BearNerf Apocalypse?

BearNerf... Apocalypse... *sigh*

When someone else complains BS grabs his white armour and goes into overzealous mode in an instant. But when he is the one bitching and crying based on nothing but his neckbeard temper all is good in the world.
I'd laugh if it wasn't sad actually.

[meteorol]

Pezzer, on 18 May 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

First match.
Group queue.
Group of 3.
No pilot skills.
964 damage. I should've gotten a screenshot.

It really needs a nerf. Imo having a torso twist boost of 5%, and 10% to accel/decel would probably be perfect.

wow, a grand total of 1 match totally enough to judge a mech and justify nerfs.

My Black Widow had a K/D of 14.00 over the first 30 matches in t1 (lol) solo queue. 56 kills 4 deaths. I scored ~1200 dmg 7 kills on my 2nd match with the unbasiced laservomit warhammer.

The warhammer "really" needs a nerf. Oh and i went for 1400 dmg on a unbasiced Mauler. Nerf Mauler aswell.

[Corrado]

Pezzer, on 18 May 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

First match.
Group queue.
Group of 3.
No pilot skills.
964 damage. I should've gotten a screenshot.

It really needs a nerf. Imo having a torso twist boost of 5%, and 10% to accel/decel would probably be perfect.

So just because you pulled off 964 damage in the first match (lets not forget is a 100 tonner maybe DPS dakka KDK3), means that stompy robot is OP? wow...

The first match i had in the AS7-S long time ago, ended with 1150ish damage and 3 kills... nothing special, but if we had to judge something based off the first match many subpar mechs in lucky rounds would have negative quirks already.

meteorol, on 19 May 2016 - 12:03 AM, said:

wow, a grand total of 1 match totally enough to judge a mech and justify nerfs.

My Black Widow had a K/D of 14.00 over the first 30 matches in t1 (lol) solo queue. 56 kills 4 deaths. I scored ~1200 dmg 7 kills on my 2nd match with the unbasiced laservomit warhammer.

The warhammer "really" needs a nerf. Oh and i went for 1400 dmg on a unbasiced Mauler. Nerf Mauler aswell.

exactly. the first match i took out the quad UAC5 MX90 mauler, pulled off 5 kills and 900ish damage. nerf mauler! ffs...


i just really hope PGI doesnt gets feedback based on day 1 random whiney pooh...

Edited by Corrado, 19 May 2016 - 12:32 AM.

[Darky101]

I play CW! The Kodiak is the first clan assault that could actualy be worthwhile CW... that is the only reason I bought the standard pack!
Turned out it can stand up to the ATLAS like it should! Squishier but faster!
Its only good if you have the skill to actualy twist and shield!

If you nerf it and turn it in to a KODIWHALEBEARVICTOR its just going to become a dust collector in the mechbay, and clans will still be left with no competitive Assault.

KDK 3 with 4 CUAC10-s can certainly do damage to anyone stupid enough to stand in front of it and not shoot back, If they (or the enemy team) shoot back the care bear goes down cause it needs face time to work those CUAC10s.
Maneuverability is key for the Kodiak.

[C E Dwyer]

Why would it change, if those mechs are nerfed, after the metric's and the damage are seen, they will still be the most powerful variants, or they wouldn't get nerfed

[Oderint dum Metuant]

The mech is totally ok.
We came up against teams with 5,6,7 or more last night in the group que, they die pretty easily due to face time and large CT.

There are much scarier mechs out there to come across.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Supersmacky, on 18 May 2016 - 09:10 AM, said:

Funny observation from playing last night for several hours: the fewer Kodiaks my team had, the more likely we were to win even when the other team had 5 to 7 Kodiaks. This pattern was repeated over and over. When I was on a team with 5 to 7 Kodiaks and the other team only had one or two, the other team would win. When my team had one or two Kodiaks and the other team had five to seven, my team would win. From what I have seen the Kodiak is not OP. We'll see what happens after things calm down, but I am not overly impressed by them at this point.

So what you're saying is that Kodiaks are like ninjas. A single ninja (or Kodiak) is unbeatable. Run for Your life if you do not have a deathwish. Large Groups of ninjas (or Kodiaks) are however mere cannonfodder to be disposed of with ease. Are we seeing the Law of Inverse Ninja (or Kodiak) Strength in action?

[Damien Tokala]

I disagree. The Kodiak is in its own spot. One variant has a very niche build which relies on autocannons. The rest are very well rounded, but Don't Excell at any one thing, save the spirit bear or the kdk5. As much as I like the spirit bear, it's lack of energy hard points and single ballistic slot make it difficult for me to feel comfortable with a build.

My kdk1s have become quad ppc snipers, and my kdk5 uses 10 med lasers.

This mech is far from overpower. It's just the fact that so many people are using their Kodiak, that we have an excess surge of assault type firepower, and the same mech type getting kills which just happens to be... Kodiak!

This mech is just slightly faster than the dire wolf, but the trade off is, it's taller, and it's wider.

I can carry more ammo in my dire for quad uac, Than I can with my Kodiak. And I don't feel comfortable taking the engine down for my Kodiak at all. I like that speed on him.

Dire wolf also carries way more, and can even carry the exact same loadout as a stock kdk1. However, this is the sad part!

The dire is more heat efficient with the kdk1s compliment as opposed to the Kodiak. As well as slightly more ammo.

So please, before you cry OP, remember... This is a mech that is out in LARGE numbers right now. It's not the mech that's overpowered, it's the fact that some matches have 4 or more mechs with assault type firepower!

[vibrant]

I wonder if we all jumped in on direwolves, 5-6 DWF per team shooting daqqa and lasers everywhere... how long it'll take for everyone to start complaining they are OP and need a nerf... time will tell what happens here. It makes me a little uncomfortable how people get so easily worked up in life. Not just in games... politics, relationships, TV shows, anything...

[Damien Tokala]

Exactly my point.

Kodiak is new, and many people have a childish attitude of, "well I didn't get a new toy, so he shouldn't be happy either"

This mech is a 100 ton assault. They are strong, yes. But so is your Atlas, so is the dire wolf, and many other mechs. Because ultimately, it's the pilot that makes the mech good.

[Lugh]

xXBagheeraXx, on 18 May 2016 - 09:57 PM, said:

The IS highlander actually handles nicely now, The jumpjets do suck tho...

The QUIRKENING. I QUIRK EVERYTHING, I SEE EVERYTHING IMPROVING

--Paul.. bad game designer with terrible solutions to everything...

Damien Tokala, on 19 May 2016 - 03:53 AM, said:

Exactly my point.

Kodiak is new, and many people have a childish attitude of, "well I didn't get a new toy, so he shouldn't be happy either"

This mech is a 100 ton assault. They are strong, yes. But so is your Atlas, so is the dire wolf, and many other mechs. Because ultimately, it's the pilot that makes the mech good.

But, but, I am the AWESOMEST mech pilot EVAH and it killed me *whimper*.

[Myj]

Mister Blastman, on 18 May 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

This all makes me chuckle. I have no idea whether the KDK is OP or not--not a clue. But the amount of controversy surrounding it is hilarious. Threats from folks who bought it if it is nerfed, cries from people who didn't that think it should be... truth be told there are two sides with two agendas and of course the side holding the bags of money are going to shout the loudest and feel they should be heard...

But you want to know the truth?

The truth is, despite the money spent or veiled jealousy, one thing must be done with the KDK--the right thing, whatever it may be.

This means if nerfs are in order, they must be done. This means if nothing at all is wrong, then it must be left alone. There is one thing for sure, though, and that is the KDK is not underpowered.

Make it so, PGI, do what needs to be done. And make it sooner than later as the forums I don't think can... bear it... much longer.

Agreed across the board with one exception which I may just slightly disagree with. While I do still think the KDK is a good mech and doesn't really need buffed, I would argue it's way too easy to bring down which in my opinion makes it a bit underpowered. If you're not torso twisting your balls off constantly in this thing you will die in half a damn second. As far as I can tell the KDK is 88% CT. Or so it seems when you pilot it. My Black Widow is 3 times harder to bring down than the KDK (in my own experiences of course) and that just doesn't really make much sense to me.