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[Alistair Winter]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 19 May 2016 - 02:56 AM, said:

There could be 10 trillion active CW players and 2 CW factions, but if 6 trillion would go to one faction and 4 to the other, 1-2 trillion players would have problems with finding a match.
This is why logically big units should want to go for the least populated factions or factions fighting the most populated ones (gathering allies is not an issue in a big unit). Which is the exact opposite of what MS did

I hear you, but I kind of feel like a game is poorly designed if it requires the players to make this kind of decision. You have to understand the tragedy of the commons and apply it to every situation, or at least make it fairly easy for players to realize their mistake.
"Ok, I've waited for 2 hours trying to get a match with my heavy mech in Quick Play. Now I'll just switch to a medium mech and I'll get a match instantly."

That's a lot better than "Ok, I've waited 2 hours trying to get a match in Faction Play. Now my whole unit has to switch allegiance and break our contract and we can't get a match for x number of days."

[L3mming2]

Alistair Winter, on 19 May 2016 - 02:38 AM, said:

FW population is so low, you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't. Pick the most popular faction, there may not be enough enemies to go around. Pick the least popular faction, you won't have enough allies to form full teams a lot of the time.

Maybe PGI should look at the underlying issue... most players (as far as I can tell) don't enjoy FP. They don't enjoy Invasion mode, they don't enjoy the meatgrinder maps. As long as players don't like it, you won't have a big population.

god forbid you will have to drop in a team not consisting out of 12 good expirienced unit players. they did not join mercstarr to not be able to stomp every not elite 12 man...

its ok to drop in 12 mans of your team but if the best clans all join 1 faction so they can suplement eatch other to always field strong 12 mans.

they deliberatly screw over fw ballance to get more wins. its karma that they cant get games due to there own doing.

to bad JF loialists get to pay the price too..

ps in the vid they are joking about 50 min of cue for a 10 min mach, but they dont understand when the guys geting stomped over and over again in 10 min dont want to play...

Edited by L3mming2, 19 May 2016 - 04:18 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

L3mming2, on 19 May 2016 - 04:15 AM, said:

to bad JF loialists get to pay the price too..

This is the point. The whole "We have to teach the players a lesson"-argument doesn't really fly when you're making a game for people's entertainment. Gamers are going to game, and you have to make a game that works despite people trying to be selfish. If there's one thing you can count on in every game, it's players being selfish. Doesn't matter if it's MWO, WOW, DOTA, EVE Online or whatever else.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Alistair Winter, on 19 May 2016 - 04:23 AM, said:

This is the point. The whole "We have to teach the players a lesson"-argument doesn't really fly when you're making a game for people's entertainment. Gamers are going to game, and you have to make a game that works despite people trying to be selfish. If there's one thing you can count on in every game, it's players being selfish. Doesn't matter if it's MWO, WOW, DOTA, EVE Online or whatever else.

Problem is not the people are selfish. It's they are stupid at being selfish (trying to game the game to get among the best and end up with nobody wanting to fight you exactly because you gamed to be among the best.) Only hard locks prevent stupidity, but these are bad for other reasons.

Food for thought - what would happen if we allowed loyalist to vote on breaking a contract with a merc unit that does more harm than good for the faction.

[L3mming2]

Alistair Winter, on 19 May 2016 - 04:23 AM, said:

This is the point. The whole "We have to teach the players a lesson"-argument doesn't really fly when you're making a game for people's entertainment. Gamers are going to game, and you have to make a game that works despite people trying to be selfish. If there's one thing you can count on in every game, it's players being selfish. Doesn't matter if it's MWO, WOW, DOTA, EVE Online or whatever else.

if ppl selfish behavior ruins the game... trade guilds in MMO's, they work gr8 for the members, they ruin the game ==> they got banned and so dit the players who did not head the warning, if units like ms brake the game for all the loialists of JF, then they should get a warning, if they keep doing it they should be disbanded, if they keep trying to find ways around then maybe a few should be banned for a time, if that not works pgi will just have to get merc units out of the game entirely...

if they get that in there head i hope they act accordingly...

realy fw would be so much better if the big units made shure they where spread out over the factions.

[L3mming2]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 19 May 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

Problem is not the people are selfish. It's they are stupid at being selfish (trying to game the game to get among the best and end up with nobody wanting to fight you exactly because you gamed to be among the best.) Only hard locks prevent stupidity, but these are bad for other reasons.

Food for thought - what would happen if we allowed loyalist to vote on breaking a contract with a merc unit that does more harm than good for the faction.

lol no loyalist would want a big merc unit, they take all the tags, they drop in there own 12 mans (so you wont benefit from there skill ore expirience) they chase a way the ennemy, the only thing they help with is making the map look a bit nicer for your faction XD

[Ghogiel]

The 1 planet thing is lolz.

Wolf are the same. only have 1 attack and no defenses. The loyalist IS players are just attacking each other.

[crustydog]

I don't know - perhaps we are being overly critical here?

[L3mming2]

crustydog, on 19 May 2016 - 04:52 AM, said:

I don't know - perhaps we are being overly critical here?

that the actions of the big merc units make a entire faction not being able to play is a problem that pgi should not ignore...

[Contrex]

L3mming2, on 19 May 2016 - 04:57 AM, said:

that the actions of the big merc units make a entire faction not being able to play is a problem that pgi should not ignore...

Yep... PGI should reduce the max sice of Units to 50? Problem solved! The split units will go on playing together on the same factions, but sooner or later they gonna split. If a unit with 350 members and their subunit with x members cry for too less enemies, they should maybe think about their sice, not about the game.

But iam sure if PGI would reduce the unitsice, the endless rages will go on..... but only for some time.

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funny to see who the people are that spend actually 1 hour in queue! you doin this the whole day?great way to waste your life time d(@_@)d xD

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