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[Khereg]

Armando, on 08 June 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

Don't let the Tier fool you. I am a drop caller that leads EVERY push I have ever called (always the 1st focus fire target of the other team, this leads to an exaggerated number of deaths). Something about calling 15,000+ drops, and leading every push I call, makes all the 'stone cold killers' (high end Tier 1 players) want ME calling their drops.

Can verify. Armando is potato.

Kidding. Armando plays well, but doesn't play enough Quick Play/Group Queue to let his tier rise.

And he is fun to have as a drop caller.

[Appogee]

Armando, on 08 June 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

Don't let the Tier fool you. I am a drop caller that leads EVERY push I have ever called (always the 1st focus fire target of the other team, this leads to an exaggerated number of deaths). Still though, there is something about calling 15,000+ drops, and leading every push I call, that makes all the 'stone cold killers' (high end Tier 1 players) want ME calling their drops.

So YES, I die...A LOT (My 1.3+ K/D Ratio keeps me at that "Tier 2" level). That said, I win A LOT (better than 7.0 W/L).

To put this another way: I am a "Force Multiplier" (I make EVERYONE around me better...Tier 3 pilots act like Tier 1 pilots; Tier 1 pilots become GODS) If you see me on the other team, you might kill me 4 times, but you ARE going to lose.

To put it yet another way: Sure your 1.72 K/D is better than my 1.33 (/slow golf clap), but you lose (2.09 W/L) over three times the games I do (7.23 W/L). Don't worry, you are not the only "Tier 1 Pilot" that loses match, after match, after match, to this "Tier 2 Scrub".

Great Drop Caller > Great pilot.

So, if you want to drop with a guy who 'has a plan', can communicate that plan in very easy to understand instructions, have that guy that tells you what is busted up on a mech before you even target it, and is willing to be the 1st focus target EVERY push so you can kill mercilessly unmolested, say the word... I'll be the first to extend you an invitation to the unit mate. I mean, you know what if feels like to be a Tier 1 pilot, lets get you on that 'next level' (God mode baby).

Simply put: We are 'fun times'. /wink

I'm not meaning to be critical. I have no doubt you're both an effective player and drop caller, so please don't take the following as a personal attack, it's not meant to be.

However, your pitch - which I continue to enjoy - has a flaw....

Our personal PSR Tiers are created by team win/loss record, not by our personal k/d ratios. All we have to do is achieve 100 match score in a match that our team wins, and our PSR goes up. Achieve more than 250 match score and it goes up quite a bit, and more than 400 makes it go up a lot.

So, if you're creating so many wins for your team, your personal PSR should have skyrocketed you into Tier 1 long before now. As you pointed out, you are winning three times as many matches as I am. Yet I - who gets stuck into awful PUG teams and expected to carry - am in Tier 1, and you are not.

This seems odd.

Again, please don't see this as a personal attack. It's not. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for good drop callers, and I have no doubt you are one of them.

[Armando]

Khereg, on 08 June 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:

Can verify. Armando is potato.

Kidding. Armando plays well, but doesn't play enough Quick Play/Group Queue to let his tier rise.

And he is fun to have as a drop caller.

No excuses, I am what I am....a "Tier 2 Scrub".

I ain't got no shame, just the C-Bill from winning match, after match, after match, after match, after match, after match, after match...on an average day (on a 'good' day I will drop for 16+ hours and not lose a single match).

[Appogee]

Khereg, on 08 June 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:

Kidding. Armando plays well, but doesn't play enough Quick Play/Group Queue to let his tier rise. And he is fun to have as a drop caller.

There you go, this explains it perfectly.

[Carl Vickers]

Appogee, on 08 June 2016 - 09:55 PM, said:

I'm not meaning to be critical. I have no doubt you're both an effective player and drop caller, so please don't take the following as a personal attack, it's not meant to be.

However, your pitch - which I continue to enjoy - has a flaw....

Our personal PSR Tiers are created by team win/loss record, not by our personal k/d ratios. All we have to do is achieve 100 match score in a match that our team wins, and our PSR goes up. Achieve more than 250 match score and it goes up quite a bit, and more than 400 makes it go up a lot.

So, if you're creating so many wins for your team, your personal PSR should have skyrocketed you into Tier 1 long before now. As you pointed out, you are winning three times as many matches as I am. Yet I - who gets stuck into awful PUG teams and expected to carry - am in Tier 1, and you are not.

This seems odd.

Again, please don't see this as a personal attack. It's not. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for good drop callers, and I have no doubt you are one of them.

That would depend on whether he is drop calling CW. If it is then his tier wont budge. As he pointed out, he is not only drop calling but leading from the front, so he is prolly the first to round the corner and go down. he could get a lot of sub 100 damage matches in QP which on a win gives him an = rating.

My bet is he plays CW the most.

[Armando]

Appogee, on 08 June 2016 - 09:55 PM, said:

I'm not meaning to be critical. I have no doubt you're both an effective player and drop caller, so please don't take the following as a personal attack, it's not meant to be.

However, your pitch - which I continue to enjoy - has a flaw....

Our personal PSR Tiers are created by team win/loss record, not by our personal k/d ratios. All we have to do is achieve 100 match score in a match that our team wins, and our PSR goes up. Achieve more than 250 match score and it goes up quite a bit, and more than 400 makes it go up a lot.

So, if you're creating so many wins for your team, your personal PSR should have skyrocketed you into Tier 1 long before now. As you pointed out, you are winning three times as many matches as I am. Yet I - who gets stuck into awful PUG teams and expected to carry - am in Tier 1, and you are not.

This seems odd.

Again, please don't see this as a personal attack. It's not. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for good drop callers, and I have no doubt you are one of them.

I'm not at all offended, I have made BOLD claims (over 7.0 W/L) which better than the VAST majority of Tier 1 players, and little other than my word in way of actual evidence to support my claims (you have good reason to question the authenticity of my claim). So, I offer the following as proof...



Taken moments ago, please feel free log in and verify yourself (I promise I will NOT be offended).

While I have no way of knowing for sure why I am still a "Tier 2 Scrub", my guess would be all the deaths. As a leader I will NOT ask anyone to do something that I myself am not willing to do, so when I call for a PUSH....you can bet your sweet a$$ I am the guy leading the charge, which means the guy that is 1st focus fire target, which means a dead CookieWarrior. /sadface

The good news, my teammates are unmolested, RIPPING them up, while they are all busy looking at me. (Leads to all that 'winning')

***EDIT: Since CW dropped, I haven't used the 'quick play' queue very much. When I do, it is with similar results. (K/D still 1.3+ range, I am still DC'ing, I still win far, Far, FAR more often than I lose).

**2nd EDIT: To be honest, I like being Tier 2...It is one of two things that keep me humble. The other is my 'spreadsheet of humility' of all the players who win more than I do (I'm 'good', but I'm not 'THE BEST'; and I know this. /wink)...



(List is from 05/22...things have changed, if it were made TODAY...it would be a lot longer).

Edited by Armando, 08 June 2016 - 10:40 PM.

[STEF_]

Khereg, on 08 June 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:

Can verify. Armando is potato.

Kidding. Armando plays well, but doesn't play enough Quick Play/Group Queue to let his tier rise.

And he is fun to have as a drop caller.

Indeed.
To be clear Armando is been my fav commander ever.
He always knows what to do so: clear plan, clear calls, clear voice.
It's a pity I cannot drop with him so much anymore.....

[MischiefSC]

Armando, on 08 June 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

I'm not at all offended, I have made BOLD claims (over 7.0 W/L) which better than the VAST majority of Tier 1 players, and little other than my word in way of actual evidence to support my claims (you have good reason to question the authenticity of my claim). So, I offer the following as proof...



Taken moments ago, please feel free log in and verify yourself (I promise I will NOT be offended).

While I have no way of knowing for sure why I am still a "Tier 2 Scrub", my guess would be all the deaths. As a leader I will NOT ask anyone to do something that I myself am not willing to do, so when I call for a PUSH....you can bet your sweet a$$ I am the guy leading the charge, which means the guy that is 1st focus fire target, which means a dead CookieWarrior. /sadface

The good news, my teammates are unmolested, RIPPING them up, while they are all busy looking at me. (Leads to all that 'winning')

***EDIT: Since CW dropped, I haven't used the 'quick play' queue very much. When I do, it is with similar results. (K/D still 1.3+ range, I am still DC'ing, I still win far, Far, FAR more often than I lose).

Some of the best leaders are just above average in personal stats. If you're focused on the team it's harder to get your own kills and damage. Sometimes the best solution is to just go eat the glorious death yourself than assign someone to it. You're spending more time in the map and glancing at your teams health and positioning and less at where shots are coming from.

Leadership is a different skillset from killing robbits and managing your own survival. Simple, brutal truth is that you need to be a bit selfish to be a good player - I don't mean that in a bad way but it's true. You need to try to get the kill yourself, to let the enemy attention fall on someone else, to live longer than your team and do more damage and get more kills. Being a good leader, conversely, requires a lot of self-sacrifice. Team win over your own performance.

A really good team is comprised of both. Really good players with a really good leader. That combo in the right quantity and the right levels of trust and mutual understanding, good interpersonal communication and just a lot of time in game are what separates the best teams from everyone else. A team comprised of good players but no good leaders is never going to match up, especially in the more tactically minded environment of FW.

[Appogee]

MischiefSC, on 08 June 2016 - 10:39 PM, said:

Some of the best leaders are just above average in personal stats. If you're focused on the team it's harder to get your own kills and damage. Sometimes the best solution is to just go eat the glorious death yourself than assign someone to it. You're spending more time in the map and glancing at your teams health and positioning and less at where shots are coming from.

Very true. Whenever I drop command I cut my FP score in half.

I don't mind taking the hit on the score for the sake of the team. I'm just mentioning it as a proof that I understand that drop commanding comes at a personal cost.

(I'm not a good drop commander. To be fair to myself, I'm a decent lance commander )

This has been an interesting discussion.

Edited by Appogee, 09 June 2016 - 02:28 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

Also there is a little know fact that if you shoot Armando in a CW game he will often drop crates of MC.

This is a valid reason that you should play more CW on the chance that you encounter Armando in a game and get those crates!

Did I mention donuts?

[Hal Greaves]

I'm only in MS to cover the diversity requirements, being gay and hispanic and stuff.

I am pretty okay at shooting things though.

[MischiefSC]

Tom Sawyer, on 09 June 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

Also there is a little know fact that if you shoot Armando in a CW game he will often drop crates of MC.

This is a valid reason that you should play more CW on the chance that you encounter Armando in a game and get those crates!

Did I mention donuts?

I heard his loot drops go up from 0.4% per hit to 1.6% per hit if you shoot him with SRMs and ACS at the same time. Also if you kill him with LRMs there's a small chance he'll drop a rare color or camo pattern.

Not sure if that's correct though, can you verify those percentages?

Tom Sawyer, on 09 June 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

Also there is a little know fact that if you shoot Armando in a CW game he will often drop crates of MC.

This is a valid reason that you should play more CW on the chance that you encounter Armando in a game and get those crates!

Did I mention donuts?

I heard his loot drops go up from 0.4% per hit to 1.6% per hit if you shoot him with SRMs and ACS at the same time. Also if you kill him with LRMs there's a small chance he'll drop a rare color or camo pattern.

Not sure if that's correct though, can you verify those percentages?

Tom Sawyer, on 09 June 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

Also there is a little know fact that if you shoot Armando in a CW game he will often drop crates of MC.

This is a valid reason that you should play more CW on the chance that you encounter Armando in a game and get those crates!

Did I mention donuts?

I heard his loot drops go up from 0.4% per hit to 1.6% per hit if you shoot him with SRMs and ACS at the same time. Also if you kill him with LRMs there's a small chance he'll drop a rare color or camo pattern.

Not sure if that's correct though, can you verify those percentages?

[ccrider]

Wait, -MS- wins through coordination, communication, teamwork and selfless play? I was told they just beat up baby seals and cheated. Well, I'll be damned before I accept this new information and, god forbid, take responsibility for my losses; I'm gonna pound the cheater angle so hard. Eff "getting better" or "talking". I can't allow this to get out or people will be expected to play better or coordinate and that ain't happening. Not on my watch.

[Daidachi]

ccrider, on 09 June 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

I'm gonna pound the cheater

Is that what they're calling it now?

[ccrider]

Daidachi, on 09 June 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

Is that what they're calling it now?

Only when I'm alone.

[habu86]

ccrider, on 09 June 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

Wait, -MS- wins through coordination, communication, teamwork and selfless play?

You can be certain of it.

MS's teamwork allows me to communicate to the other 11 people in the drop exactly how I want them to coordinate their selfless play in order to maximize the amount of meatshielding i get out of them for the greater and everlasting glory of my e-peen

[Armando]

Appogee, on 09 June 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

Very true. Whenever I drop command I cut my FP score in half.

I don't mind taking the hit on the score for the sake of the team. I'm just mentioning it as a proof that I understand that drop commanding comes at a personal cost.

(I'm not a good drop commander. To be fair to myself, I'm a decent lance commander )

This has been an interesting discussion.

Indeed....Friend Invite has been sent.

Next time we share Factions you can rip it up with this "Tier 2 Scrub". I will do the calling / dying, you can do the pew-pew kill-kill. (I'm sure your Tier 1 self can carry my a$$. /wink)

Edited by Armando, 11 June 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[Khereg]

Armando, on 11 June 2016 - 01:27 PM, said:

(I'm sure your Tier 1 self can carry my a$$. /wink)

God knows I carried it far enough - someone else's turn...

[Armando]

Khereg, on 11 June 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

God knows I carried it far enough - someone else's turn...

Quoted for truth. Always a pleasure dropping with you brother.

[MischiefSC]

Armando, on 11 June 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

Quoted for truth. Always a pleasure dropping with you brother.

Get a room you two.

No, really. Get a room, get a 12man going. Need people starting matches in game.