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[nehebkau]

Khereg, on 02 June 2016 - 12:04 PM, said:

78 "alpha" (actually fired in 2 bursts) if they go full derp.

I reduced mine to 12 SPL's and added an active probe. Still wrecks face in scouting.

And that's the point -- too much damage for scouting. Only problem is, if you reduce it to 50 T then you will have people doing the exact same thing in Novas (not as bad because they are slower and not as tanky). However if you lower the tonnage to 45 or lower then the balance completely switches to InnerSphere mechs.

I don't think there is a solution here except to allow each side to drop in either clan or IS mechs regardless of their faction. After doing that then they need to change the name from Scouting Mode to Crow Mode.

[Khereg]

nehebkau, on 03 June 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

And that's the point -- too much damage for scouting. Only problem is, if you reduce it to 50 T then you will have people doing the exact same thing in Novas (not as bad because they are slower and not as tanky). However if you lower the tonnage to 45 or lower then the balance completely switches to InnerSphere mechs.

I don't think there is a solution here except to allow each side to drop in either clan or IS mechs regardless of their faction. After doing that then they need to change the name from Scouting Mode to Crow Mode.

I agree that no matter where you set a tonnage limit you're going to have issues. However, there are counters to everything. That SPL-Crow runs really hot and is very short range. SRM Griffins can hold their own against it really well.

But in any given match it's a crap shoot. You don't know what the other team brought and if you bring Griffins and they bring 4 Arctic Cheetah's, you're never going to close range to kill them (assuming they're smart enough to stay away).

With the combination of gather/defend, and the choice to go fast or brawly, it's a real roshambo situation. If anything I think the clans have a bit of an advantage, not so much because of the damage output (which the IS can match pretty well if they're smart), it's the SPEED. That SCR goes 104 kph - almost as fast as most lights and it runs a clan XL. Even the speediest Griffin builds don't quite get there in terms of speed and those are running IS XL's which can make it too fragile for the hardcore brawling.

I guess all in all I don't see huge issues with the current setup. I win (and lose) plenty in scouting whether I'm clan or IS. I don't think dropping the tonnage to 50 will change the situation too much, except as mentioned, the Novas and Hunchback IIC's won't be quite as fast as the SCR's.

[Lehmund]

Dropping the tonnage won't solve a thing as far as balance goes in Scouting.

Winning at scouting has NOTHING to do with killing the other team's mechs, even on Protect Intel.

It's all about the overall successful gathering of intel points versus giving some away for the opposition. If your team wins more Intel than they lose, your % goes up for the Invasion bonuses. Period.

If you want to brawl and kill mechs, drop in matches that are focused exactly on that i.e. Skirmish Quick Play, most Invasion matches etc....

It's all about understanding the bigger picture and aiming for winning the war, and not the battle.

Introductions of new mechs will change this fighting balance issue, same as rescaling and quirk changes upcoming.

Learn to play to your strengths and with your team, as always, and you will win more often.

P.S.: If you want to counter the mega Streak barrages, use direct fire and good aim. Pretty easy to get 50 damage alphas with IS 50-55 tonners. Put two of those in a Crow CT front and it's down within 4 seconds with good aim. The Crow's 78 alpha potential will do the same all over your body parts in about 6 seconds if you both face off. I've seen 4 streakcrow teams wrecked by good Centurion/griffin teams with the right skill and loadouts. That spread damage won't kill your Griffin just yet and may not even core anything.

The largest advantage of the Streakcrow in combat is that it doesn't require lots of aim or skill to do its spread damage while doing precision damage as detailed above does.

I even remember an excellent 2 man team with AC 20's destroying our 4-man swiftly several times in a row because they were excellent aims and only shot back CT. Their 2 pugs were random and somewhat useless in those fights.

That's what I'm talking about.

Enjoy!

[Joey Tankblaster]

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The largest advantage of the Streakcrow in combat is that it doesn't require lots of aim or skill to do its spread damage while doing precision damage as detailed above does.

Finally a claner admits that the streakcrow is a low skill mech. Jehova.

[justcallme A S H]

nehebkau, on 03 June 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

And that's the point -- too much damage for scouting. Only problem is, if you reduce it to 50 T then you will have people doing the exact same thing in Novas (not as bad because they are slower and not as tanky). However if you lower the tonnage to 45 or lower then the balance completely switches to InnerSphere mechs.

I don't think there is a solution here except to allow each side to drop in either clan or IS mechs regardless of their faction. After doing that then they need to change the name from Scouting Mode to Crow Mode.

A Nova is more tanky than a Crow.

While the event was on, I ran a Nova. 8SPL and 4x MG. It tore legs off at an absurd rate with the MG quirks etc. Doesn't get too hot either. It didn't matter it was slow if the IS want to brawl and you can def a drop zone easy as you can take a leg out in literally a second on a light if you position correctly.

[ArmandTulsen]

Streaks are a problem.

People not realizing it don't face enough of them, and people not admitting it are the same a-holes who boat up streaks and drop with three other skillcrow buddies.

[Xiomburg]

If your going to reduce weight, might as well go to 40 tons.

[VorpalAnvil]

ArmandTulsen, on 03 June 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Streaks are a problem.

People not realizing it don't face enough of them, and people not admitting it are the same a-holes who boat up streaks and drop with three other skillcrow buddies.

Please show me on the doll where the bad clanner touched your no no place.

[Helsbane]

ArmandTulsen, on 03 June 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Streaks are a problem.

People not realizing it don't face enough of them, and people not admitting it are the same a-holes who boat up streaks and drop with three other skillcrow buddies.

Streaks are a problem if you're trying to leg hump the 'Crow to death. Simply put, stop leg humping the mechs with SSRMs. Why is that so hard to figure out?!?