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[Cath]

PGI does not have a chat ban system for this game.

If you are coming here from another title and let your emotions get the best of you, prepare for short term account bans if you are reported for in game actions.

It happened to me for being a salty a-hole. I was reported and was completely blindsided by the result. No other game I've run across suspends accounts for chat violations (they just don't let you chat for awhile, not remove you from the game completely for multiple days).

You have been warned. (because who actually takes the time to READ the complete ToS and CoC? lol)

[Fox With A Shotgun]

For the record, if you are getting upset about a game to the point where you'd curse at anyone else, maybe it's time to take a break and do something else.

Games are for enjoyment. If you aren't enjoying yourself, why are you still here?

[Rogue Jedi]

Cath, on 03 June 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

You have been warned. (because who actually takes the time to READ the complete ToS and CoC? lol)

I did, and have referred back to it quite frequently.
Did you know that discussing moderation action is against the code of conduct?
I think you should be fine though as this thread is a warning to other players not complaining about it.

just out of interest did it happen after just the 1 incident or was it a string of offences, and was it text chat (I assume so because you said chat ban) or VOIP.

to report someone use the list of players ^{(hold down tab by default or wait until the end of the match)} then click on the players name for a list of options

things you can get banned or reported for include;
real life threats,
swearing,
insults against race, nation, gender, sexual preference,
diverging real life information about other players
spamming chat
advertising (beyond a single post advertising your in-game unit)
offering your account for sale
discussing pornography or bodily functions
not participating in the game, e.g. deliberately avoiding the enemy in skirmish, or hiding to draw out the game

in any way assisting the enemy including;
team killing,
deliberately damaging a teammate,
deliberately or repeatedly blocking a teammate or a teammates weapons,
deliberately disconnecting while your Mech survives,
deliberately destroying your Mech by running out of bounds,
overriding shutdown and firing until your Mech blows up

there is a lot more in http://mwomercs.com/conduct

[Audacious Aubergine]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 03 June 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Games are for enjoyment. If you aren't enjoying yourself, why are you still here?

Because Tier 5 is the ninth circle of hell, but the only way out of it is to keep playing

[epikt]

So if I understand correctly, it would have been OK to be offensive in chat and insult the other players, but PGI is banning you for this...
But here is the thing: it is NOT OK, even if the game does nothing about it. It's not about reading ToC, you don't need to read ToC to know this, it's about being a decent human being.

[D V Devnull]

Rogue Jedi, on 04 June 2016 - 03:08 AM, said:

not participating in the game, e.g. deliberately avoiding the enemy in skirmish, or hiding to draw out the game

Yeah, I can add something to that. You're also not allowed to 'Suicide' by 'Allowing Yourself To Be Killed By The Enemy In A No-Win Situation'. So if you're the last one standing in a round, you're damned by the CoC, no matter what you do. PGI needs to seriously review and revise their CoC, before they keep losing players over it.

~Mr. D. V. "seeing the final flaw..." Devnull

[Rogue Jedi]

D V Devnull, on 04 June 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

Yeah, I can add something to that. You're also not allowed to 'Suicide' by 'Allowing Yourself To Be Killed By The Enemy In A No-Win Situation'. So if you're the last one standing in a round, you're damned by the CoC, no matter what you do. PGI needs to seriously review and revise their CoC, before they keep losing players over it.

~Mr. D. V. "seeing the final flaw..." Devnull

where does it say that?
below are the only sections of the rules I could find mentioning loosing your Mech

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Willfully or repeatedly self-destructing one’s ‘Mech, either by overheating, going out-of-bounds, or committing some other form of suicide or intending to cause abnormally early death.

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Mech Suicide Abuse
Some players have been repeatedly finding ways to destroy their ‘Mechs as quickly as possible.
This behaviour denies an otherwise healthy team of an active member, and makes the battle imbalanced. As such, this is prohibited and includes instances of players intentionally and repeatedly running out of bounds, or into the enemy team without tactical intent, or any other way in which a player has found to be self-destructing their `Mech.

The above paragraphs are the only thing in the Code of Conduct, terms of use or Greifing and exploits that I could find that mention loosing your Mech, the only time "death by enemy team" would be covered is if you intentionally charged the enemy teams firing line at the start of the match, knowing the rest of your team is not backing you up.

If I am wrong about this could you please post a quote of and link to the relevant passage.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Cath, on 03 June 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

PGI does not have a chat ban system for this game.

If you are coming here from another title and let your emotions get the best of you, prepare for short term account bans if you are reported for in game actions.

It happened to me for being a salty a-hole. I was reported and was completely blindsided by the result. No other game I've run across suspends accounts for chat violations (they just don't let you chat for awhile, not remove you from the game completely for multiple days).

You have been warned. (because who actually takes the time to READ the complete ToS and CoC? lol)

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PGI does not have a chat ban system for this game.

Really? Not sure what you mean, then, by 'chat ban'. But the EASY solution to dealing with the occasional Salty Puglord, is to BLOCK PLAYER. And if they're on VOIP, you can also MUTE them. Had to do the block a couple times today, and the mute as well. Mostly over salt. It's not even every third match, I don't think, but it's out there.

You think T5 is the Xth Circle of Hell? Nah, bruh. Enjoy it while it lasts. T3 is the worst. In any given match, you may be teamed up with brand-new T5ers, or against T1 gods of war. And half the time, they are the saltiest dudes and dudettes you every freakin' met. And sometimes, you get a squeaker in there. And sometimes you get some old man who wants to tell his life story, about barefoot in the snow uphill both ways in his 9x SSRM-2 ARC-5W (NO NAME & SHAME). And sometimes you have some wannabe tryhard hollerin' about what a bunch of goobers we all are because we played so awful, that he and his meta-godliness pulled like 160 damage and no kills in a 75-ton death machine. And so on.

Nah. Live it up in T5 while you can. Cuz if you bring that salt to a match with my T3 self, I'll mute and block and (as appropriate) report. And I'll continue right on enjoying this game without your input, because 98% of the players are decent people out to enjoy a game too.

[Cath]

Rogue Jedi, on 04 June 2016 - 03:08 AM, said:

Did you know that discussing moderation action is against the code of conduct?

just out of interest did it happen after just the 1 incident or was it a string of offences, and was it text chat (I assume so because you said chat ban) or VOIP.

Yes, but I'm just letting new players know what could happen.

It was after several instances in a single game I believe, just in game chat, I've never been able to make my in game voip work.

Sister RAbbi, on 04 June 2016 - 11:56 PM, said:

Really? Not sure what you mean, then, by 'chat ban'. But the EASY solution to dealing with the occasional Salty Puglord, is to BLOCK PLAYER. And if they're on VOIP, you can also MUTE them.

I was referring to PGI moderation responses to a complaint, not player ones. They cannot ban a player from in-game chat only. Other games I've played have a system where you can still play but are unable to use in game chat for the duration of the "banned" time.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Cath, on 05 June 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

Yes, but I'm just letting new players know what could happen.

It was after several instances in a single game I believe, just in game chat, I've never been able to make my in game voip work.



I was referring to PGI moderation responses to a complaint, not player ones. They cannot ban a player from in-game chat only. Other games I've played have a system where you can still play but are unable to use in game chat for the duration of the "banned" time.

OH, I see. Yeah, it's all or nothing. Kinda necessary to be that way, too. It's supposed to be a TEAM game. They HAVE to leave whatever TEAM communication elements they have in-place, or else there is (by design/intent) no point in people trying to play the solo queue (which is where the vast majority of MWO matches take place). Cut off particular players from in-game comms, and you put them at a disadvantage. Just gonna increase the salt, and that 12th man with no way to communicate? He's likely not going to contribute like he could/should.

So yeah, if the conduct is out of line, then it's an outright ban.

I could MAYBE see banning players from solo queue. If their unit wants their ban-able conduct around, and they're willing to tolerate it, then so be it. Still cut off the in-game stuff, but they can do Discord or TeamSpeak or whatever with teammates if it wasn't something ridiculously bad (like racism, physical threats, etc.). But that'd be fairly labor-intensive to manage, and would require some behind-the-scenes codecraft that they may not currently be interested in dedicating to the issue, when an outright ban for X period of time is simple and available.

Good lookin' out for new players, then, OP.

[Rogue Jedi]

Cath, on 05 June 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

It was after several instances in a single game I believe, just in game chat, I've never been able to make my in game voip work.

I too had trouble getting VOIP working, it took a bit of trial and error to figure it out, in VOIP settings there are options to select sound input and output source, MWO does not know which are your system default and does not detect what is plugged in, so I had to select the sound card which the microphone was plugged into, and choose direct sound because for some reason it did not like windows audio session, and of course you also have to enable VOIP and have push to talk mapped, and hold it down to talk, but I am assuming you already tried that.

[D V Devnull]

Rogue Jedi, on 05 June 2016 - 09:39 PM, said:

I too had trouble getting VOIP working, it took a bit of trial and error to figure it out, in VOIP settings there are options to select sound input and output source, MWO does not know which are your system default and does not detect what is plugged in, so I had to select the sound card which the microphone was plugged into, and choose direct sound because for some reason it did not like windows audio session, and of course you also have to enable VOIP and have push to talk mapped, and hold it down to talk, but I am assuming you already tried that.

There's even more to deal with than those, and handling the following may negate the need for some of the changes you did to the in-game settings. There is such a thing as "Exclusive Device Control", which Windows can grant to applications for audio devices, should the switch be enabled. This can sometimes be on by default even when you first install the Windows OS itself. Go to your "Sound" or "Sounds" Control Panel, then to "Recording > [Your Device] > Properties > Advanced > Exclusive Mode", and uncheck the two checkboxes in that small section. Apply those changes and "OK" through the rest of the dialogs to get out, and you should find yourself forever free of device detection failures as well as conflicts between applications. May you happily enjoy in-game VOIP and TeamSpeak/etc. after that!

~D. V. "At hope this helps..." Devnull

[Koniving]

Rogue Jedi, on 04 June 2016 - 03:08 AM, said:

diverging real life information about other players

Divulging?

To diverge is to redirect, such as -- for something off the top of my head: "Many people follow the meta Cul-de-sac to the perception of greatness; the truly skilled know this is a crutch and can only truly grow when they diverge off to an endless road of possibility."
Koniving, June 6th 2016.

[Rogue Jedi]

Koniving, on 06 June 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

Divulging?

To diverge is to redirect, such as -- for something off the top of my head: "Many people follow the meta Cul-de-sac to the perception of greatness; the truly skilled know this is a crutch and can only truly grow when they diverge off to an endless road of possibility."
Koniving, June 6th 2016.

ok, spelling mistake, yes it should have been divulging, I usually pick spelling mistakes up over a series of many edits, that one slipped through.