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[Novakaine]

Novakaine's handy guide to Macro's.
For this guide we will be using the Mauler battleme with 4 Uac's.
And your typical modern gaming mouse.
Bind your weapons like this.
Button 1 - Uac5.
Button 2 - Uac5.
Button 3 - Uac5.
Button 4 - Uac5.
Place mouse on gaming pad if not already there.
Launch client if you have not already done so.
Go to the testing ground to test out awesome Uac5 action.
Select map of your choice.
Select target of your choice.
Now wiggle fingers in succession like you're waving at that girl across the bar.
Then blow the hell out of your selected target.
There you have it instant Uac5 madness.
No pesky macro's required.
And when someone ask you do you use a macro.
Tell em F to the hell naw,
I use finger control.

Edited by Novakaine, 07 June 2016 - 12:23 PM.

[Mystere]

Aerei, on 07 June 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

I've always been kinda torn with macros on this game. On one hand, they don't allow you to mess with the code. On the other hand, it is giving a pretty crazy advantage to people that use it, and it is a third party program.

I mean, if they don't ban it, so be it, I can live with that, but if you're relying on a macro just remember; you're average. Mediocre.

With the exception of course of the person writing a fantastic macro that no one thought was even possible.

[Felbombling]

My initial take on people using and defending the use of macros is that they have three hands, so cannot understand why people have an issue with an outside program performing multi-input functions for them. I mean, really, anything a macro can do can be done with that third hand, so what is the big deal?

[Mcgral18]

Nyte Kitsune, on 07 June 2016 - 08:07 AM, said:

PGI enjoys contradicting themselves too.. Hadn't you noticed, Yes they've said Macros are acceptable. Yet if you use them during the tournament it's a bannable offense, not just for you, but for your ENTIRE TEAM. Which means that they don't approve of them and consider it cheating, yet they want to allow it but not allow it.

This is the problem I have. That and AC 5's and 2's shouldn't be firing as fast as my MG's. It's crap like this that killed PvP in Champions Online (Though those were genuine hacks called a "Speed Hack" which allowed people to kill you with a basic attack that would hit you hundreds if not thousands of times in 2-3 seconds). You can only hit a button so fast in reality.. Stop defending the macro's that allow you to hit the button faster than you can humanly do so then say "It's all right because PGI said so." (If' PGI said it was safe to jump off the Empire State building would you jump off it? Probably.) Doing something you cannot do without a gimmick (Macro) or hacking (Wall hacks, etc.) should not be allowed, and isn't allowed, in most games.

If it's in a single player game, great, more power to you, but when it affects other people's enjoyment of a game then it "IS" a problem. If you want to use them in private matches, knock yourselves out, just leave it out of public matches.

No macro required

Mouse wheel up down to 3&4
AC2s all to 1, then one to 3 and 4


Mouse wheel up, down, LMB


Bam, 100% DPS effective stagger fire without Macro.



It goes without saying, you'd only do that if you want FUN DAKKA, because splitting you damage up so considerably is a terrible way to place damage effectively



Whining about macros in MWO is largely illogical, but there was that one supposed MG incident I could never replicate.

[Mystere]

Bobzilla, on 07 June 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

Doing it while aiming, moving, calling targets, checking minimap, fireing other weapons looking at heat..... This is where the macros help, it eliminates a large task so your brain can focus on other things.

This game's skill set is multitasking and prediction as reflexes aren't that important and aiming is pretty easy. Macros help a lot in the multitasking area allowing more thought to go to the prediction part.

^^^^ This! ^^^^

Folks, welcome to the 21st Century.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Novakaine, on 07 June 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Novakaine's handy guide to Macro's.
For this guide we will be using the Mauler battleme with 4 Uac's.
And your typical modern gaming mouse.
Bind your weapons like this.
Button 1 - Uac5.
Button 2 - Uac5.
Button 3 - Uac5.
Button 4 - Uac5.
Place mouse on gaming pad f not already there.
Launch client if you have not already done so.
Go to the testing ground to test out awesome Uac5 action.
Select map of your choice.
Select target of your choice.
Now wiggle fingers in succession like you're waving at that girl across the bar.
Then blow the hell out of your selected target.
There you instant Uac5 madness.
Now pesky macro's required.
And when someone ask you do you use a macro.
Tell em F to the hell naw,
I use finger control.

See.. That's acceptable, but then Nova's also in HHoD and we don't approve of macros. This is how we do it, "Skill not gimmicks!"

Mind I still don't have a mouse with 4 buttons to make that work for me (Mine are in odd positions), but Once I find a better mouse..., gaming mice are fine, as you still have to hit each button.

Thank's for proving my point Nova.

[Psychorat]

main use of macro:

1- Fix stupid game mechanics by setting group 6 to the "T" key... set group 6 as toggle... put tag on group 6... then press "T" to activate/deactivate tag

2- fix the stupid cannot chain fire next ac weapon before the first one fully reload mechanics...

3- chain fire different groups on a single mouse button (for those like me that have a 2 buttons mouse...) --> please ban users with more than 2 mouse buttons... ;P


the first two should have been ingame/fixed at game launch...the third one could be replaced by buying a new more expensive mouse with more keys
.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Ban mouse clicks and keyboard inputs. That's the only way to stop people from firing their Gauss and PPCs together, or chainfiring Autocannons.

Problem solved.


(p.s. Macroing your Gauss to automatically fire after 0.5 sec is a hinderance/nerf to the weapon because you can't hold your fire if a target moves out of sight, and macroing your PPCs to automatically fire when your Gauss fires is also a hinderance because they have different projectile velocities... smart people know this... are you smart?)

P.p.s. if you really have an issue with Macros and Ghost Heat, then ask PGI to let us assign more than 1 firing group to a button so we can fire groups of weapons in chainfiring mode to avoid GH.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 07 June 2016 - 09:00 AM.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Why don't we ban computers entirely and see who is best at rubbing two sticks together to make fire.

There's a finger twitch game for you so easy cavemen can do it.

[Tarogato]

dervishx5, on 07 June 2016 - 03:38 AM, said:

That would be threatening if you weren't Marik.

[Revis Volek]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 06 June 2016 - 11:57 PM, said:

Since when do we have macros?

I have been away a long time haven't I?

Unless you have been gone since day one then you didnt miss them.


They have never been not allowed, so they have been here since day one.

[Lostdragon]

[Andi Nagasia]

my computer runs 15-25fps,
as im clearly at a disadvantage, PGI should restrict any player with over 25fps,
this way everyone is on a fair playing field, fairs only fair,

see that doesnt make much sense does it,
Macros arnt a cheat, as they dont cheat, they are an assistance tool,
can they help yes, but the help they give is marginal at best,

Toggle Tag?
2 weapons firing on a single Click,

if you are against Macros because you feel they are Cheating,
i would invite you to download a Macro program and try it your self,
if you have no right to call a Macro Cheating if you've never used them,

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Lostdragon, on 07 June 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

[Moldur]

Mystere, on 07 June 2016 - 07:48 AM, said:

So many words and you still did not answer his question. A simple "Yes" would have sufficed.

It sounded like a rhetorical question. Rhetorical questions are questions that are asked to make a point, rather than to get an answer. As such, I was arguing against his point rather than giving a yes or no. I thought it was fairly blatant.


Anyway, nobody has addressed my point from earlier still.

If macros confer an advantage over not using macros, what makes them fair?

[totgeboren]

Nyte Kitsune, on 07 June 2016 - 08:07 AM, said:

This is the problem I have. That and AC 5's and 2's shouldn't be firing as fast as my MG's. It's crap like this that killed PvP in Champions Online (Though those were genuine hacks called a "Speed Hack" which allowed people to kill you with a basic attack that would hit you hundreds if not thousands of times in 2-3 seconds). You can only hit a button so fast in reality.. Stop defending the macro's that allow you to hit the button faster than you can humanly do so then say "It's all right because PGI said so." (If' PGI said it was safe to jump off the Empire State building would you jump off it? Probably.)

What are you talking about here? I genuinely don't follow at all? Name one weapon in MWO where fast mouse-clicking gives you a faster rate of fire? Explain to me how you would set up a macro that lets your AC5 fire as fast as a mg?

What you are writing makes it sound like you have no idea at all what you are talking about.

I have tried out some macros, and the only weapon type I have found it useful on is when boating AC2s, just because it sounds soooo much better to go Dakkadakkadakka instead of Dakka, Dakka, Dakka.

But front loading your damage is still generally better from a competitive point of view, and the main advantage ballistics have over lasers. So what you can do with macros is to take away that advantage for some added suppressive effect instead.

Edited by totgeboren, 07 June 2016 - 10:18 AM.

[Garfuncle]

In TF2 which I once played competitively there is a weapon for the sniper called the huntsman. It requires you to charge up a shot and then release it before you lose your window to fire just like gauss. I can tell you now that having a one click system for that loses so much control over aiming, canceling the shot, and tracking the enemy that its a hindrance more than a boon.

[Mystere]

Moldur, on 07 June 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

If macros confer an advantage over not using macros, what makes them fair?

They're freely available to anyone and everyone. Just because one chooses not to use them does not automatically mean that everybody else should also not. Otherwise, we should also be looking at the following equipment:

• cpu
  
• gpu
  
• motherboard
  
• RAM
  
• monitor
  
• keyboard
  
• mouse
  
• other gaming input devices
  
• network hardware
  
• ISP network quality
  
• distance to servers

I'm sure I missed a few but hopefully you get the point.

Edited by Mystere, 07 June 2016 - 10:16 AM.

[AdamBaines]

OMG. Please please please can we NOT have this discussion for the 122nd time!?

[Mystere]

AdamBaines, on 07 June 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

OMG. Please please please can we NOT have this discussion for the 122nd time!?

Well, if the search function was not borked, I'd just quote myself verbatim from previous threads.