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[mad kat]

I don't know what twisted backwards logic was used to batter the dragon but it needs fixing now! The right arm is just plain ridiculous it's the size of a batlleship.

Not only that the hitbox adjustment was just plain daft. I can think of no real reason why this was done except for making it a bit more newb friendy and perhaps more face time friendly. The only problem is with the shape and limited hardpoint layout of the dragon it needs to expose the whole mech to dish out damage from its limited hard points so being able to take an XL better for more firepower is more effective.

As it stands the hitboxes like the Stalker and Marauder are not xl friendly so the dragon is completely conflicted.

Lastly there is an error with the textures on the Fang (I don't know about the flame) where the rgb colours are messed up on the right arm, the ams and the awkward as hell looking missile launchers. My Fang is the only dragon i have left as i paid money for it back when it was good. I want a refund!

[Pariah Devalis]

mad kat, on 11 June 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

I don't know what twisted backwards logic was used to batter the dragon but it needs fixing now! The right arm is just plain ridiculous it's the size of a batlleship.

Not only that the hitbox adjustment was just plain daft. I can think of no real reason why this was done except for making it a bit more newb friendy and perhaps more face time friendly. The only problem is with the shape and limited hardpoint layout of the dragon it needs to expose the whole mech to dish out damage from its limited hard points so being able to take an XL better for more firepower is more effective.

As it stands the hitboxes like the Stalker and Marauder are not xl friendly so the dragon is completely conflicted.

Lastly there is an error with the textures on the Fang (I don't know about the flame) where the rgb colours are messed up on the right arm, the ams and the awkward as hell looking missile launchers. My Fang is the only dragon i have left as i paid money for it back when it was good. I want a refund!

Dragon is being rescaled, too, ya know. Made smaller. Smaller means the side torsos, which were never particularly huge on the mech, are going to be made even smaller, and harder targets as a result. More XL friendly. Still a large nose, however.

[Juodas Varnas]

#MakeTheDragonGreatAgain

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 11 June 2016 - 04:53 AM.

[mad kat]

Pariah Devalis, on 11 June 2016 - 04:46 AM, said:

Dragon is being rescaled, too, ya know. Made smaller. Smaller means the side torsos, which were never particularly huge on the mech, are going to be made even smaller, and harder targets as a result. More XL friendly. Still a large nose, however.

If that's the case the right arm looks even more disproportionate there. The resized mechs right arm is as big as its centre torso!

[Pariah Devalis]

mad kat, on 11 June 2016 - 04:51 AM, said:

If that's the case the right arm looks even more disproportionate there. The resized mechs right arm is as big as its centre torso!

Yeah, that's my beef with the current model. I used to love, LOVE my old Flame. Such a wonderful ride pre-Ghost Heat and Clan Invasion. But Dragons have huge right arms. That said, several of them do have some torso mounted weapon systems that often go ignored.

Edit: Part of the Dragon's problem is it comes from a time where its number of hardpoints was pretty standard, and it fills an IS weight slot that is often either too slow to survive or to fast to pack decent firepower. Basically, the mech could use a general hardpoint review as well as the Catapult.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 11 June 2016 - 04:56 AM.

[HATER 1]

I haven't used a dragon since the turning of the gauss in to a flash bulb gun.... I also never understood why there was never a "Grand Dragon" variant.

Also, it was a great mech when knockdown was in the game......

The re-scale looks great everywhere BUT the right arm.

Edited by HATER 1, 11 June 2016 - 04:59 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Pariah Devalis, on 11 June 2016 - 04:54 AM, said:

Yeah, that's my beef with the current model. I used to love, LOVE my old Flame. Such a wonderful ride pre-Ghost Heat and Clan Invasion. But Dragons have huge right arms. That said, several of them do have some torso mounted weapon systems that often go ignored.

Edit: Part of the Dragon's problem is it comes from a time where its number of hardpoints was pretty standard, and it fills an IS weight slot that is often either too slow to survive or to fast to pack decent firepower. Basically, the mech could use a general hardpoint review as well as the Catapult.

Flame would be better if it had the extra structure quirk to the LT instead of the RA...

[Ace Selin]

From Russ Twitter, newest look at the Dragon which was completely redesigned

[BabyCakes666]

give me a dragon that works dammit i liked it until the hit box change :/

[Sorbic]

mad kat, on 11 June 2016 - 04:51 AM, said:

If that's the case the right arm looks even more disproportionate there. The resized mechs right arm is as big as its centre torso!

That was a pretty early pic so who knows if it will stay that way. I'm fine with how the arm looks but it would be nice if it had a negative crit chance or more armor vs structure. Too easy to be stripped and lose a gun.

My biggest gripe with the Dragons is the 5N UAC5 quirk. The right arm needs one more slot to fit a second cannon. It's a somewhat wasted quirk.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

BabyCakes666, on 11 June 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

give me a dragon that works dammit i liked it until the hit box change :/

Still works... just gotta run a STD engine, use the entire left side to shield with and use free look to aim the RA in order to not lose it instantly.

[Trauglodyte]

It's Kurita trash. What did you expect? It is like wanting the Vindicator to be good knowing that it is Liao trash. Come on, guys... understand what you're talking about!

[mad kat]

The thing is i can make a vindicator better than a dragon. Its smaller, more agile, reasonable quirks, can jump has enough tonnage to carry a careful choice of punchy weapons and is overall far better off carying an xl than the dragon even if the glass canon vindicator is fragile even with a std engine. I still do much better in my arlm15, ll, 3xml (or 2xml+tag) vindicator than my fang.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 11 June 2016 - 04:51 AM, said:

#MakeTheDragonGreatAgain

yeah....pretty sure the aiming reticle difference between a Jager mech arm and a knuckledragger arm will be a deal breaker from something like that ever actualyl occurring. Ain't no way they are going to add a 3rd reticle (which would be needed) or that we would really wanna have to screw with one. So unless the Frankenstein/Zombie armed the other arm to match elevation, it probably will never be.

Which will also rule out other mechs with a similar asymmetrical arm layout.

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 June 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

yeah....pretty sure the aiming reticle difference between a Jager mech arm and a knuckledragger arm will be a deal breaker from something like that ever actualyl occurring. Ain't no way they are going to add a 3rd reticle (which would be needed) or that we would really wanna have to screw with one. So unless the Frankenstein/Zombie armed the other arm to match elevation, it probably will never be.

Which will also rule out other mechs with a similar asymmetrical arm layout.

Well... They could always lock the right arm to the Torso-crosshair, if it's so difficult to make it proper...

It'd still be an improvement over the current one.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 11 June 2016 - 08:30 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 11 June 2016 - 08:30 AM, said:

Well... They could always lock the right arm to the Torso-crosshair, if it's so difficult to make it proper...

It'd still be an improvement over the current one.

an arm weapon with super limited pitch? Ugh. No thanks.

[Barantor]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 June 2016 - 08:26 AM, said:

yeah....pretty sure the aiming reticle difference between a Jager mech arm and a knuckledragger arm will be a deal breaker from something like that ever actually occurring. Ain't no way they are going to add a 3rd reticle (which would be needed) or that we would really wanna have to screw with one. So unless the Frankenstein/Zombie armed the other arm to match elevation, it probably will never be.

Which will also rule out other mechs with a similar asymmetrical arm layout.

I'd just adjust the arm aim point to match the big gun arm and not worry about the loss of range of motion in the lower arm.

If you think about it, we can't aim each arm separately anyway, so it doesn't matter that much and the trade off might be worth it for that higher gun arm mount.

[Bishop Steiner]

Barantor, on 11 June 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

I'd just adjust the arm aim point to match the big gun arm and not worry about the loss of range of motion in the lower arm.

If you think about it, we can't aim each arm separately anyway, so it doesn't matter that much and the trade off might be worth it for that higher gun arm mount.

except that actual aimpoint being so drastically off from each other? I just see it causing more headache and QQ...though headache and QQ is the native state of the MWO or most game forums, anyhow, so yeah, maybe?

[Barantor]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 June 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

except that actual aimpoint being so drastically off from each other? I just see it causing more headache and QQ...though headache and QQ is the native state of the MWO or most game forums, anyhow, so yeah, maybe?

Well most folks would end up putting the 'high' arm on one weapon group and the low one on another.

I've run into something like this with a few mechs the Hellslinger being one of them. One arm has a side mounted energy, the other an underslung one. Lord help me if the side mount is clear but the under one is humping terrain as I waste heat.

Players can adapt to it, better than having one of the lighter mechs forced to come out in the open as much. It does have that lovely high mounted cockpit after all.