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[Pr8Dator]

Whats the point of a 75tons heavy mech that runs at the speed of a 100 ton assault mech and without the hardpoints and tonnage to match? (N I G H T G Y R??)

AKA : Why would I buy this if I already have Kodiaks and I don't CW?

The arrival of the Kodiaks completely displaced my last fav which is the Bounty Hunter... the Kodiak SB just beat it in terms of speed and firepower. As such, I am finding it hard to justify heavy mechs that are slower than the Kodiak.

Edited by Pr8Dator, 10 June 2016 - 04:51 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Well... it weighs 25 tons less freeing up 25 tons in your drop deck?

[MechWarrior849305]

Just don't buy then, no?

[Karl Streiger]

Have a Mech for you - called UrbanMech
GG CLOSE

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Pr8Dator, on 10 June 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:

Whats the point of a 75tons heavy mech that runs at the speed of a 100 ton assault mech and without the hardpoints and tonnage to match? (N I G H T G Y R??)

Because it has the hardpoints and free tonnage to match? It'll be able to hold some heavy ballistic builds only beat by a Dire Wolf and with double the ballistic hardpoints of a Warhawk. It has 37.5 tons of freespace after full armor and locked equipment.

So basically a 75 ton assault mech, less armor, more speed, same firepower.

[TercieI]

Man, two years ago, this was close to typical speed for a heavy.

Edited by TercieI, 10 June 2016 - 04:39 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Just stay close to those slow assault mechs. You'll have as much firepower as some of them, and they are likely to attract more enemy fire. You'll contribute significantly to their effectiveness and you won't be tempted to Nascar and leave them behind.

Also? Jumping. Dual. Gauss. #poptartsareback

[Steve Pryde]

Pr8Dator, on 10 June 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:

Whats the point of a 75tons heavy mech that runs at the speed of a 100 ton assault mech and without the hardpoints and tonnage to match? (N I G H T G Y R??)

- it wont be as big as an assault mech
- more tonnage free for faction play

and you know that most heavy mechs are only match that speed and the Kodiak is one of the very few assault mechs that can run that fast.

[Chuanhao]

If u wanted speed, go for the mad cat.

The night Gyr fills a niche of weapons focussed mech vs speed focussed mad cat.

Just as the gargoyle trades weapons for speed vs the Warhawk, and again between executioner and dire wolf.

And then IIC mechs trade engine flexibility vs OMNI weapon and slot flexibility.

It's called choice and I'm thankful for it.

If all mechs performed the same way, then there will be no need to get new mechs.

So if the night Gyr doesn't fit a personal play style, don't get it.

[Clownwarlord]

The speed of my rifleman is usually 70 or lower so suck it up butter cup.

Just because the rest of the clan heavies can go as fast or faster than mediums doesn't mean they should.

Edited by Captain Luffy, 10 June 2016 - 04:48 AM.

[Pr8Dator]

Dakota1000, on 10 June 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

Because it has the hardpoints and free tonnage to match? It'll be able to hold some heavy ballistic builds only beat by a Dire Wolf and with double the ballistic hardpoints of a Warhawk. It has 37.5 tons of freespace after full armor and locked equipment.

So basically a 75 ton assault mech, less armor, more speed, same firepower.

Why would I pilot this when I have a Kodiak with the same speed and better firepower? (honest question... I like the Night Gyr because the Novacat it was based on was my fav mech before but I am finding it hard to justify. Would have no questions if it is at least 67kph or something.)

[Clownwarlord]

Pr8Dator, on 10 June 2016 - 04:47 AM, said:

Why would I pilot this when I have a Kodiak with the same speed and better firepower? (honest question... I like the Night Gyr because the Novacat it was based on was my fav mech before but I am finding it hard to justify. Would have no questions if it is at least 67kph or something.)

Answer: Tonnage size, and so you can fit more in Faction Warfare drop deck than you can of Kodiaks.

[Pr8Dator]

Captain Luffy, on 10 June 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Answer: Tonnage size, and so you can fit more in Faction Warfare drop deck than you can of Kodiaks.

Yup.... Night Gyrs seems "Gyr"ed mainly for CW...

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Pr8Dator, on 10 June 2016 - 04:47 AM, said:

Why would I pilot this when I have a Kodiak with the same speed and better firepower? (honest question... I like the Night Gyr because the Novacat it was based on was my fav mech before but I am finding it hard to justify. Would have no questions if it is at least 67kph or something.)

If you needed a heavy mech rather than an assault mech, for example in a drop deck in faction warfare where a 100 ton mech in your drop deck is much harder to have than a 75 ton heavy. Heavy mechs also have a different movement archetype allowing them to be more maneuverable. Night Gyr is also smaller profile and not a massive assault mech target that everyone will focus fire as much. Not to mention Kodiak only has 8 tons more pod space (2 tons more if you count NG's 6 built in heat sinks) over the Night Gyr but is 25 tons heavier further making it look like a good trade off for faction warfare, you can have 3 of them and 1 mist lynx as a drop deck, and with omnimech swapping you can have them all running heavy ballistic builds if you want, like 3 UAC10s each with some backup lasers and loads of ammo to spare. Its good support for an assault mech too. Also helps for group queue weight limits since you have limited tonnage there too.

Simply put its just for if you want a lighter Kodiak that can do basically the same thing but in a different weight class.

Edited by Dakota1000, 10 June 2016 - 05:02 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Pr8Dator, on 10 June 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

Yup.... Night Gyrs seems "Gyr"ed mainly for CW...

or for people who want to pack more firepower in and don't care about the speed? Since day one, I've wanted to rip that stupid xl375 out of my timberwolves and now I finally can. I'm fine with 70kphish, but the extra ~10t of weapons... oh, yes. Yes indeed.

[Hit the Deck]

There's still nothing can do what the Gyr can on the whole. It's unique, useful, and have its special place.

[Wintersdark]

Hit the Deck, on 10 June 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

There's still nothing can do what the Gyr can on the whole. It's unique, useful, and have its special place.

This.

It's not for everyone, but in a world of locked-engine clan heavies, it's damn nice to have a decent option for those of us who don't feel the need to NASCAR.

[Pr8Dator]

Dakota1000, on 10 June 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

If you needed a heavy mech rather than an assault mech, for example in a drop deck in faction warfare where a 100 ton mech in your drop deck is much harder to have than a 75 ton heavy. Heavy mechs also have a different movement archetype allowing them to be more maneuverable. Night Gyr is also smaller profile and not a massive assault mech target that everyone will focus fire as much. Not to mention Kodiak only has 8 tons more pod space (2 tons more if you count NG's 6 built in heat sinks) over the Night Gyr but is 25 tons heavier further making it look like a good trade off for faction warfare, you can have 3 of them and 1 mist lynx as a drop deck, and with omnimech swapping you can have them all running heavy ballistic builds if you want, like 3 UAC10s each with some backup lasers and loads of ammo to spare. Its good support for an assault mech too. Also helps for group queue weight limits since you have limited tonnage there too.

Simply put its just for if you want a lighter Kodiak that can do basically the same thing but in a different weight class.

Yup, basically "Gyr"ed for CW I supposed... for Pug droppers like me, I still don't see much reason...

Wintersdark, on 10 June 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

or for people who want to pack more firepower in and don't care about the speed? Since day one, I've wanted to rip that stupid xl375 out of my timberwolves and now I finally can. I'm fine with 70kphish, but the extra ~10t of weapons... oh, yes. Yes indeed.

How about 67.5kph with 105 firepower or a 23dps? U get BOTH speed and FIREPOWER with the Kodiaks that beat the Gyr...

Edited by Pr8Dator, 10 June 2016 - 05:06 AM.

[Clownwarlord]

Better question ... would you rather have the Marauder, Black Knight, or Orion over the Gyr? For me I would prefer the Gyr. It has high weapon mounts, goes as fast as a Marauder or Orion, and it has fire power to rival any of the IS heavies that fill this tonnage. The only other mech that compares is the Timber Wolf which is faster but you lose the firepower the Gyr has.

[Pr8Dator]

Hit the Deck, on 10 June 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

There's still nothing can do what the Gyr can on the whole. It's unique, useful, and have its special place.

Thats the thing I really wish to know... what is it unique for? CW?

Captain Luffy, on 10 June 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

Better question ... would you rather have the Marauder, Black Knight, or Orion over the Gyr? For me I would prefer the Gyr. It has high weapon mounts, goes as fast as a Marauder or Orion, and it has fire power to rival any of the IS heavies that fill this tonnage. The only other mech that compares is the Timber Wolf which is faster but you lose the firepower the Gyr has.

I guess my gripe is Kodiak vs Night Gyr... how is the night gyr comparable when its not even faster? This is also the reason why I stopped playing my fav Bounty Hunter... theres nothing a BH can do that a Spirit Bear can't and better.

Edited by Pr8Dator, 10 June 2016 - 05:09 AM.