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[Zeoraimer]

So, reading the patch notes http://mwomercs.com/...-1465-19apr2016 :

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Desertion
Breaking the oath of Loyalty to your Faction will mark you as a Deserter for a period of 7 days. Once you make the decision to desert your Faction it cannot be reversed.
During the Desertion Phase you:
• Will remain under the banner of your Faction until the end of the Desertion Phase.
• Will not be eligible for participating in War Planning.
• Will lose 25% of the Loyalty Points you have accumulated with the Faction you are deserting.

And looking at:

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• Rank 1 (530 LP): 50,000 C-Bills and 500 GXP
• Rank 2 (2,120 LP): 75,000 C-Bills and 1 'Mech Bay

Does that mean, every 7 days, I can gain a new mech bay?


Sign up to be a loyalist
Play at least 10 games
Play enough games to reach 2120 LP (get rewarded with a mech bay)
Desert: 2120 -25% = 1590 Total LP remaining
Wait 7 days
Sign up to be a loyalist with the same faction you just deseted
Play 10 games
Earn another 530 LP = 2120 Total LP - Would you get a another mech bay?

Or, are the rewards LOCKED after gaining it the first time?

If not locked, you could do this with any rank rewards, but this is probably the most profitable for least amount for work/LP farming.

[Gyrok]

Zeoraimer, on 19 April 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So, reading the patch notes http://mwomercs.com/...-1465-19apr2016 :



And looking at:


Does that mean, every 7 days, I can gain a new mech bay?


Sign up to be a loyalist
Play at least 10 games
Play enough games to reach 2120 LP (get rewarded with a mech bay)
Desert: 2120 -25% = 1590 Total LP remaining
Wait 7 days
Sign up to be a loyalist with the same faction you just deseted
Play 10 games
Earn another 530 LP = 2120 Total LP - Would you get a another mech bay?

Or, are the rewards LOCKED after gaining it the first time?

If not locked, you could do this with any rank rewards, but this is probably the most profitable for least amount for work/LP farming.

Locked

[Triordinant]

http://mwomercs.com/...tent-read-this/

[Shevy]

wont work going back to the same faction but will still be able to do a tour of all the factions

7 day and 10 match cool down per faction for mech bays could be done if you only play FW for free stuff

[Viken]

I'm of the idea that no, you cannot farm mechbays through that. Rank rewards are granted through the Achievement system under the Home tab, so once you complete the Rank and earn the Achievement reward, that's it. You can't earn the Achievement again.

That being said, we won't know until someone tries it a week from now, or we get official word from PGI.

[Naduk]

It's locked
Additionally You must re-earn your lost points before you can continue any progress
You also have to play the 10 matches with no rewards to prove loyalty again

It's solid
If you want to go get the first bay from each faction you can , but it's going to take weeks
The new system really promotes loyalty or be a merc if you like to change it up

[LordNothing]

it carried over my stats. it looks like there was a glitch with davion, i had recently scored my rank 6 bay this weekend. and it kind of looks like it could be scored again.

[Davegt27]

Just think if we had not spent all our time worrying about what some other guy gets

We could have had a real good cool FW3

Oh and its -25% LP and -25% C-bills earned while in that faction

Edited by Davegt27, 19 April 2016 - 08:28 PM.

[BattleUnitX]

For new players, and others who did not grind out the first mech bay for each faction, this is a pain in the butt.
Grinding out free mech bays early helps a lot.
I hope they lower that 7 day penalty to 1 day at some point, or get rid of it. The LP loss of 25% is impact enough.
FW could use more players, and this penalty is not helping at all.

[Ghogiel]

If you wanted to farm mechbays, you were best off doing it before FP3 and touring the factions. Then being a merc after FP3, farming rank 10 then switching to a loyalist to fill out what ever faction you like/ones you didn't farm prior to FP3.

[Palfatreos]

BattleUnitX, on 28 April 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

For new players, and others who did not grind out the first mech bay for each faction, this is a pain in the butt.
Grinding out free mech bays early helps a lot.
I hope they lower that 7 day penalty to 1 day at some point, or get rid of it. The LP loss of 25% is impact enough.
FW could use more players, and this penalty is not helping at all.

Or remove the cooldown the %LP drop enough to discourge people switching loyalty to often.
Desertation basicly means go play quick play or don't play MWO because the penalty on FW to big to play during that cooldown.
There 2 main reason why people would desert. mech bay tour or rank 30 loyalty. In both case it doesn't stop peoples archieving there personal goal only taking away playing FW for 7 days.

[Commander A9]

You can't. Because you can only earn an achievement/faction rank once.

But, on the flipside, you used to be able to swap between factions without much penalty, acting like a true mercenary.

Hell, we're all mercenaries as the game would put it, but now, you're punished if you're a loyalist and you switch factions.

Though really, not alot has changed much.

[Ihasa]

Zeoraimer, on 19 April 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So, reading the patch notes http://mwomercs.com/...-1465-19apr2016 :



And looking at:


Does that mean, every 7 days, I can gain a new mech bay?


Sign up to be a loyalist
Play at least 10 games
Play enough games to reach 2120 LP (get rewarded with a mech bay)
Desert: 2120 -25% = 1590 Total LP remaining
Wait 7 days
Sign up to be a loyalist with the same faction you just deseted
Play 10 games
Earn another 530 LP = 2120 Total LP - Would you get a another mech bay?

Or, are the rewards LOCKED after gaining it the first time?

If not locked, you could do this with any rank rewards, but this is probably the most profitable for least amount for work/LP farming.

All the major problems with the game and this is your biggest concern? So what, some people earn some stuff, that's what keeps them playing.

Edited by Ihasa, 29 April 2016 - 12:25 AM.

[DiceHack]

7 day deserter cool down AND penalties for earning cbills and xp with the faction you want to move away from?

Trying to have less people in the queues playing CW?

Spend my time enabling people to shoot me so I can be penalized? No.

I know when I want to switch. Which I will do. I just won't play mechwarrior for a week. I have other games.

Wish PGI was coming up with rules to get more people to play and queue not less.

Edited by DiceHack, 13 May 2016 - 01:03 PM.

[drwatsman]

Instead of punishing someone for leaving, wouldn't a better plan be to reward someone for staying? Why not have time based loyalty bonuses in the form of the mech bays for example. You've been a part of your faction for X amount of time? Good job, here is some loot.

[LordNothing]

ive done picked all the low hanging fruit as of last night. i might push the merc tree to get the 3rd mech bay, but im not holding my breath. i suppose i could get the rank 15 bay from steiner (im really not far from 14), but thats kind of a long climb.

Edited by LordNothing, 09 June 2016 - 11:29 AM.

[Zaptiah]

actually this mechbay issue may seem minor in comparison to the many other issues in this game but in reality I think maybe its larger than it appears at first. So a good example is myself.

When I started playing I did the right thing and started reading the forums and various sites learning about the game modes and mech builds etc. When I finally started playing FW I had a basic starting drop deck. nothing great but a good place to start. I was playing each faction for a couple weeks ... learning from the players that wanted to help newbies. And learning maybe that factions wasn't for me. I would also gain my mechbays this way. It was a kinda slow progress but I learned ... slowly got better at FW and made better builds ... as I gained mechbays I would buy more variants and eventually I built a decent IS drop deck with a couple of fully mastered variants ...

Now I havent really played in weeks. there are several reasons ... the obviously full on failure of PGI to listen to this community is a good part of it ... but the reality the single biggest reason? I dont have any mechbays left. I cant grow anymore. There just is no point in playing a game where there is absolutely ZERO growth or expansion. I refuse to pay for ANYTHING until PGI gets its collective head out of its rear so im left at a stand still. So thats 1 less player now ... not a brainless noob dropping a trial deck ... but someone who understands team play and tried to be a helpful team player to get a win ... sure I have a lot to learn to be more competitive but that gone. no sense in playing a game that is a repeat match after match after match ... not fun and not worth it so I just haven't bothered to login and play anymore. wish I could I think this game has amazing potential but I am also getting the felling PGI is ony interested in selling mech packs ... not providing a content rich gaming experience. So no more mech bays means no more playing. seems like a bigger problem really ...

[LordNothing]

once you got your low hanging fruit (first two bays) from every faction, its probably better just to stick to loyalist for the duration. then when you are done, merc.

every time you kill a member of a faction, you end up killing your lp there. its only about 30k lp to get the first two, so not a big deal to have to redo that again. but as you climb higher, you start to get picky about bleeding away months of lp. so its better to complete one tree at a time. you do mercs last because that pretty much bleeds from everyone. if you are not a one man unit then you pretty much have to fight whoever the unit leader wants to fight, and if he wants to fight everybody say by to your hard earned lp hordes.

im currently merc initially getting the first 2 bays, and im thinking of getting my 3rd bay (about 110k rp from where im at now) and then going loyalist (possibly even joining a loyalist unit). my next steiner bay is only about 75k lp away, but i can avoid bleeding that away by only taking contracts with factions not at war with steiner (one man unit). then its back to steiner for the duration of the tree.

Edited by LordNothing, 11 June 2016 - 02:27 PM.

[Chuck Jager]

1 hour of min wage in the US buys approx 2 mech bays. In some states with $10 min wage you can get 3 mech bays.

Besides the exploit issue, I think working at McDs for 1 hour is time better spent.

If PGI does their job, it is not too hard to check and see if a bay has been awarded.
IF [mechbay] == true
THEN [mechbayaward] == false
PRINT "no mech bays for deserters"

of course if people think they can get more free stuff they may play more