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[Hit the Deck]

Simulator tells me that you can "alpha" triple PPC three times (with normal 4s cooldown) before shutdown on this 'Mech using 19x DHS as such: AWS-8Q

This is an attempt to make a 3x PPC build. How Awesome would it be?

Edited by Hit the Deck, 17 June 2016 - 06:37 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

With 3 you just run into ghost heat so you always have to have a group of 1 and 2 for it.

I just went with 4 PPCs and a load of heatsinks and fired in 2 groups of 2.

Later on I got tired of PPCs in a slow mech that can't jump and has low hardpoints and swapped to lasers only even with the immense PPC quirks.

[Hit the Deck]

Dakota1000, on 17 June 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

With 3 you just run into ghost heat so you always have to have a group of 1 and 2 for it.

I just went with 4 PPCs and a load of heatsinks and fired in 2 groups of 2.

Later on I got tired of PPCs in a slow mech that can't jump and has low hardpoints and swapped to lasers only even with the immense PPC quirks.

Well, the entire point of this is to fire 3x PPC *with* ghost heat. That's the reason of this specific 'Mech which has major heat and velocity PPC buffs.

[Alistair Winter]

The standard 3xPPC +1 small laser build is great for doing damage over time. But realistically, the 4xPPC in the torso is probably the best build for the AWS-8Q. Your build is a compromise, I expect it will be ok at all ranges but not great at any range.

[Bishop Steiner]

If you're REALLY Awesome you don't need Medium Laser Crutches
But best Awesome is still Bishop's Awesome

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 June 2016 - 07:18 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Alistair Winter, on 17 June 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

The standard 3xPPC +1 small laser build is great for doing damage over time. But realistically, the 4xPPC in the torso is probably the best build for the AWS-8Q. Your build is a compromise, I expect it will be ok at all ranges but not great at any range.

The main point is actually the 3x PPC, I just stuffed those med lasers because I didn't know anything better. Your former build or Bishop's are more like what I have in mind.

Bishop Steiner, on 17 June 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

If you're REALLY Awesome you don't need Medium Laser Crutches
But best Awesome is still Bishop's Awesome

[Bishop Steiner]

Hit the Deck, on 17 June 2016 - 07:21 AM, said:

The main point is actually the 3x PPC, I just stuffed those med lasers because I didn't know anything better. Your former build or Bishop's are more like what I have in mind.

well, in truth, the plain old 3x PPC build was a lot better when we had scaling damage below 90m, which there is no reason not to have.

[Hit the Deck]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 June 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

well, in truth, the plain old 3x PPC build was a lot better when we had scaling damage below 90m, which there is no reason not to have.

That 90m min range makes me have a love hate relationship with PPCs

[Bishop Steiner]

Hit the Deck, on 17 June 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

That 90m min range makes me have a love hate relationship with PPCs

and it's frustrating because with their heat, and the fact that under 50 meters they were basically slow, hot small lasers...it was never that element that made them "OP".

It's always been our low high (typo!) heat cap and ease of aiming in this game (which instead of actually addressing either, they just nerf individual weapons, instead)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 June 2016 - 12:33 PM.

[Impyrium]

I run a 3xPPC, 4xMPL build which is one of my favorite Awesomes. 4xPPCs were fun but felt super gimicky and I wanted something closer to the original.

When it comes to alpha'ing 3xPPCs, it's entirely possible and if you're good enough with heat management alternating between the much cooler 2 and 1 groups and then all three can lead to a lot of damage output. And if you have a snow map, it's a good day.

[Dawnstealer]

Sadly, in almost every instance, you're better off with LPLs instead of PPCs. Those 50% speed quirks for PPCs ARE useful, though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dingo Red, on 17 June 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

I run a 3xPPC, 4xMPL build which is one of my favorite Awesomes. 4xPPCs were fun but felt super gimicky and I wanted something closer to the original.

When it comes to alpha'ing 3xPPCs, it's entirely possible and if you're good enough with heat management alternating between the much cooler 2 and 1 groups and then all three can lead to a lot of damage output. And if you have a snow map, it's a good day.

That's kind of why I like my build:

1) At range you can combine the PPCs and Large lasers (super long range, just PPCs)
2) For alphas, it probably runs cooler than 3xPPC because of GH (and can be stagger fired, too)
3) For knife fighting, under 90m, 2xLLs and 3x MLs still gives pretty fair firepower.
4) Since the Dynamic Weapon pass, PPCs look weak on the AWS period, but absolutely horrid in the RA.

Can't wait to see the completely remodeled Awesome to see if it actually helps it's durability. If so, I expect to take the old Q-Ball out more often.

Dawnstealer, on 17 June 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

Sadly, in almost every instance, you're better off with LPLs instead of PPCs. Those 50% speed quirks for PPCs ARE useful, though.

PPFLD still has it's place, especially on mechs that can't really afford face time.

[Impyrium]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 June 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

Can't wait to see the completely remodeled Awesome to see if it actually helps it's durability. If so, I expect to take the old Q-Ball out more often.

Me too, except I'm 90% sure they're not remodeling the Awesome, at least not at this point.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dingo Red, on 17 June 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Me too, except I'm 90% sure they're not remodeling the Awesome, at least not at this point.

Russ said they were, so I'll take him at it, unless something got lost in translation.

[Impyrium]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 June 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

Russ said they were, so I'll take him at it, unless something got lost in translation.

Well I'll be super happy if they do, no doubt there!

[Corrado]

Hit the Deck, on 17 June 2016 - 06:28 AM, said:

Simulator tells me that you can "alpha" triple PPC three times (with normal 4s cooldown) before shutdown on this 'Mech using 19x DHS as such: AWS-8Q

This is an attempt to make a 3x PPC build. How Awesome would it be?

that's a good idea. i'll try now with 3x PPC STD300 22DHS no endo no ff.

[Bishop Steiner]

Corrado, on 17 June 2016 - 08:14 AM, said:

that's a good idea. i'll try now with 3x PPC STD300 22DHS no endo no ff.

Oh you mean this one from post number 5?

[SpiralFace]

Might just have to wait and make your peace heard on the Heat scale 2.0 changes. If what is true under the current system where it will be curbing based on damage rather then the arbitrary system currently there, PPC's stand to get a fairly decent boost when a stock awesome can alpha without ghost heat.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

If you want maximum 3xPPC alphas you want a STD240 engine, 3PPC, endo and then fill the rest of the critical slots with single heat sinks.

AWS-8Q

[Raso]

Hit the Deck, on 17 June 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

That 90m min range makes me have a love hate relationship with PPCs

Yeah between the high heat, abysmally slow projectile speed and funky hit detection the PPC has enough draw backs. It doesn't need the minimum range nonsense, too.