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#81 Dino Might

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 07:32 AM

View PostGalenit, on 17 June 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Its only cheaper if you dont have to pay for storing the waste save for some time.
There is still no working storage for high radioactive waste in the world, some are in the planning phase only.

How much does it cost, if you put the storage facility and its current costs,
for lets say 1.000.000 years (Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24.000years), in it?
Is it realy that cheap as you say?


The only reason we don't have long term storage is that Harry Reid is a crook. The other reason is that ignorant environmentalists would s*** a brick if we did the smart thing and dumped it all in the ocean. This is, of course, assuming that we don't want to reprocess (because of proliferation concerns). If we knew we would never reprocess, then dumping it in the ocean is cheap and actually the BEST way to dispose of it.

#82 Tralik

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 08:28 AM

We seem to have far more Nuclear Engineers on here than I would have expected...

#83 Mycrus

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 08:32 AM

View PostTralik33, on 17 June 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

We seem to have far more Nuclear Engineers on here than I would have expected...



they need to hug it out.

#84 smokytehbear

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:27 AM

View PostRushin Roulette, on 17 June 2016 - 04:32 AM, said:

Please quote the part where I mis-represented the "truth".


Ok.

View PostRushin Roulette, on 16 June 2016 - 02:28 AM, said:


The problem with that theory however is that following the lore, these are not fission reactors (the type we know for RL and sadly see every few years "strike through to calm the nerves of some special snowflakes here" in the news such as Chernobyl or Fukushima), but small fusion reactors.

The difference in theory is that Fission reactors go bang like a burst balloon because they need constant cooling and a process to slow down the reaction. If this process does not work, then the nuclear reaction goes out of control and you have a melt down.


View PostRushin Roulette, on 16 June 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

https://en.wikipedia...ents_by_country

You seem to have lived a little too close to one of those in the list... if you can count them on


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Why are you bringing this up again in the first place in a thread about hugging? Because you and others seem to think that a damaged fission reactor causes a massive explosion that should damage nearby mechs, and it doesn't. Practically ever. That's part of the irony of the Chernobyl story, in that it's so unlikely to occur by accident unless you are doing something really stupid and reckless, which they were in multiple ways.

Three mile island was about as catastrophic as we've seen in the US and it really wasn't that bad. No explosions, barely a breach of even the first few measures of containment, and it shut the industry down for decades. Know how many people died at three mile island or because of it? Know how many people have died since the same time from coal mine cave-ins, oil drilling disasters (new movie about that one coming out), or other general hazards with those occupations?

To give you some credit, you did say melt down, not detonate/explode or whatever in your second paragraph. But technically you're not even right as to why, and the wording matters. The nuclear reaction doesn't go out of control when the system starts failing. Actually the opposite is almost guaranteed to occur because Uranium doesn't fission in normal environments unless there's tons of it tightly packed, which it obviously won't be. Just like detonation, causing and maintaining fission chain reactions requires a great deal of intention and precise engineering. In almost all forms of modern fission reactors (Chernobyl being a specific exception here), the process is naturally a negative feedback loop. You can certainly cause damage in the meantime, but the chain reaction kills itself if it isn't controlled by operators or in the event of almost every conceivable casualty that could result from physical damage.

The chain reaction spiraling out of control is a concept that more accurately describes a fission bomb. A melt down, where literally the metal just gets too hot from the residual decay of fission products and melts down, isn't really from the runaway chain reaction, at least not directly.

Also, for real bro? No one was a "special snowflake." You just said something that could give people the wrong idea, so those of us that know better corrected and added to some of your wording.

View PostMycrus, on 17 June 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:



they need to hug it out.


But won't we get banned?

<3

Edited by smokytehbear, 17 June 2016 - 11:30 AM.


#85 Wiley Coyote

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:48 AM

View Postsmokytehbear, on 17 June 2016 - 11:27 AM, said:

But won't we get banned?

<3


Only if this guy sees you doing it.

View PostLaser Vomit Active And Firing, on 16 June 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

yup hugging was banned people i see you do it i get you muhahahahah.


#86 Dino Might

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 01:01 PM

View PostTralik33, on 17 June 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

We seem to have far more Nuclear Engineers on here than I would have expected...


I was one for 6 years. Wasn't that exciting. Turns out, these things don't explode all the time like one might think.

#87 MischiefSC

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 02:44 PM

View PostGalenit, on 17 June 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Its only cheaper if you dont have to pay for storing the waste save for some time.
There is still no working storage for high radioactive waste in the world, some are in the planning phase only.

How much does it cost, if you put the storage facility and its current costs,
for lets say 1.000.000 years (Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24.000years), in it?
Is it realy that cheap as you say?

Drastically cheaper than the costs associated with coal and oil power plant waste.

New breeder reactors produce a tiny, tiny amount of nuclear waste which is dangerous a few thousand years. Coal/oil plants produce a huge amount of chemical waste that is hazardous indefinately.

Nuclear waste isn't somehow more dangerous than chemical waste. Generally a lot less so.

Ideally a plasma fusion reactor creating pure water and largely risk free is what we want. Until then nuclear is a better option, we just have some wonky fears around it.

#88 smokytehbear

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 01:50 AM

View PostMischiefSC, on 17 June 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

Drastically cheaper than the costs associated with coal and oil power plant waste.

New breeder reactors produce a tiny, tiny amount of nuclear waste which is dangerous a few thousand years. Coal/oil plants produce a huge amount of chemical waste that is hazardous indefinately.

Nuclear waste isn't somehow more dangerous than chemical waste. Generally a lot less so.

Ideally a plasma fusion reactor creating pure water and largely risk free is what we want. Until then nuclear is a better option, we just have some wonky fears around it.


It's also funny to hear such complaints against a subterranean warehouse full of lead barrels as a big deal compared to the allegedly devastating effects of carbon gas emissions on the planet as a whole. Global climate change, rising sea levels, new ice ages, and destruction of all life are the doomsday cases for one scenario. A small tunnel 500m underground in the middle of Arizona that people can't enter is about the worst that a nuclear waste storage facility gets no?

Also just another tiny tidbit for anyone who doesn't know. If you guys have seen a nuclear plant's iconic cooling tower spewing a bunch of white gas into the air, that's just steam. It's not toxic, plutonium-infused smoke that gives fish three eyes and turns people glowing green. Those similarly iconic triple smokestacks you have also seen at a coal plant while driving by, a lot of times that black smoke really is smoke and ironically, more radioactive.

#89 LordNothing

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 01:53 AM

View PostRushin Roulette, on 16 June 2016 - 01:15 AM, said:

OK... its the wrong bear... but I still thought the pic fit the theme

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except kodiaks are brown.

#90 Rushin Roulette

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 03:21 AM

Sorry to say, they are Kodiaks... they just had an unfortunate accident with a bottle of bleach while swimming.

(or the otehr explanation would be the text above the pic ;) )

#91 Mycrus

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 06:47 PM

EDIT first post to add this ---


so I met my friend again... he has a tendency to run ERLL boats and stay far away from the fight...

so I made my way to him and 'hugged' him again with my oxide...

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so apparently to him there is 'good' hugs and 'bad' hugs...



#92 Afuldan McKronik

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 07:42 PM

Lol. Just stand behind him and let the teammates wreck him. Or he figured out hugging enemy mechs is fine.

#93 White Bear 84

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Posted 19 June 2016 - 08:02 PM

View PostRushin Roulette, on 16 June 2016 - 01:15 AM, said:

OK... its the wrong bear... but I still thought the pic fit the theme

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I for one welcome any hugs that come my way.. ..with quad gauss!

#94 Mycrus

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 02:17 AM

View PostAfuldan McKronik, on 19 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Lol. Just stand behind him and let the teammates wreck him. Or he figured out hugging enemy mechs is fine.


I actually do that to lone enemy assaults... I stand at their back and pummel them while they take fire from the front...

ah fun times...

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 06:32 AM

View PostAfuldan McKronik, on 16 June 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

I got accused of hacking when I stood in a great spot for erppc/gauss sniping and got 5 kills.
In group queue where the communication should have been ok.
In a spot that I would have gotten wrecked in if someone had come up and brawled me. In a mech that didn't have ECM.

I just laughed and said thanks for the compliment. I normally am terrible with those weapons..

View PostFarix, on 16 June 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:


Kinda like how I was once accused of hacking because my MurderMets (3xUAC5, 3xMLs) chewed through 30 points of rear armor in less than 2 seconds when I got behind him at point blank range.


My teammates got accused of wallhacking this weekend because DWF PUG didn't realize I was behind him SRMing his bum.

"Love how you can get through my rear armor even though I am behind a wall."

Lol.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 07:19 AM

View PostAfuldan McKronik, on 19 June 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Lol. Just stand behind him and let the teammates wreck him. Or he figured out hugging enemy mechs is fine.


I actually did something like this on Mining Colony, In the buildings I had ran out of ammo saw a TimberWolf poking so I dropped behind him and would not let him back into cover, it was immensely satisfying to watch him die from my teammates.

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 05:45 AM

Way I see it... Only bad pilots allow themselves to get hugged. I may accidentally run into another mech... but never been caught so off guard, that I allow myself to get pinned.
Or as e1itegamerpro said, bad maneuvering





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