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[Floodinator]

Sorry, but every round I want to play Scout, I face 4 SSRM Crows! The tons need to be reduced, I am ok with Spladders but not with a 55 Tons mech times 4 with an Alpha of 60 you can not evade (aka 4 *60 = 240 DMG) that pretty much Kills every IS mech in less than 10s.
There is no real counter to SSRM Crows, AC 20 Cents? Boom those Crows got you! Fast lights? As soon as you want to go to the Dropshit, Booom!

I would be ok with Spladders, but not with 4 SSRM Crows each dam round I face in Scout!

And Lorewise, what the heck has a Crow to do with Scouting? Ravens are for Scouting but they do not last long against BAP, TAG, UAV assited Crows that fire and forget those SRMs at you!

Anybody got another oppinion?

[VorpalAnvil]

Floodinator, on 14 June 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Anybody got another oppinion?

Git gud.

[Ronin13m]

Let PGI put in there new power draw system before instituting a lower tonnage limit. I have fought against large alpha builds and if you are not running the same you will need to out range it with speed and longer range weapons.

[VorpalAnvil]

The Griffin 2N has a bigger alpha with tighter convergence while running cooler with a velocity bonus, ECM and hitboxes/shield arms that unlike the crow make it survivable in a brawl. But yeah, clams OP.

Edited by VorpalAnvil, 14 June 2016 - 03:57 PM.

[cazidin]

VorpalAnvil, on 14 June 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

The Griffin 2N has a bigger alpha with tighter convergence while running cooler with a velocity bonus, ECM and hitboxes/shield arms that unlike the crow make it survivable in a brawl. But yeah, clams OP.

B-but Inner Sphere XL ST loss equals death! NERF CLANS!

[JC Daxion]

VorpalAnvil, on 14 June 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

The Griffin 2N has a bigger alpha with tighter convergence while running cooler with a velocity bonus, ECM and hitboxes/shield arms that unlike the crow make it survivable in a brawl. But yeah, clams OP.

Yay.. So scout cue is filled with 55 ton mechs + oxide.. fun!!!


the biggest issue is not that there are Zero counters to the mech, its the streakcrow verse IS lights.. Scout que has just magnified Alpha warrior online,.. But i am glad to see a power draw system coming..

[Floodinator]

Ronin13m, on 14 June 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Let PGI put in there new power draw system before instituting a lower tonnage limit. I have fought against large alpha builds and if you are not running the same you will need to out range it with speed and longer range weapons.

Tell me how do you out Range 4 Crows on a smal map while they are near the Dropship? All 4 Focus you and you won't reach it alive! IS has no equivalent to a Fire and forget 60 DMG alpha from 1 Mech!

@VorpalAnvil how long do you stay alive against 2 Alphas from 4 Crows? After 7s you are gone, what shall IS bring, 4 Oxides? Oh too bad the RT,LT is gone? Or 4 AC20? Wow 80 DMG still loses to 240 DMG, in a Fire and Forget mode!

Had so many Rounds in CW with Long Toms and went to Scout, no wonder Clan had LT and IS never had.
My bet is 90% of Scout Clan drops are Streak Crows. BAP and TAG, against ECM does not help!

Is has no Chance in Scout against Clans as long as there are Crows dropping in a Lance, my bet is even an Atlas would not have a chance!

[Steve Pryde]

Get a SRM Griffin and aim for legs on Stormcrows, then type GG into chat.

[Mystere]

No!

Instead adjust your Mech, weapon, and tactic selection accordingly.


TLDR: Git Gud!

Edited by Mystere, 14 June 2016 - 04:15 PM.

[Floodinator]

Steve Pryde, on 14 June 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

Get a SRM Griffin and aim for legs on Stormcrows, then type GG into chat.

Wow really? 1 Griffin with SRM aginst a Crow that has a way higher Alpha AND SSRM?
You have to hit them, Lag, Ping , bad Aim, etc. against almost 100% hit chance with a 60 DMG alpha times 4.
It is like a Smart against a Mercedes AMG in a drag race!

Mystere, on 14 June 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

No!

Instead adjust your Mech, weapon, and tactic selection accordingly.


TLDR: Git Gud!

Get me 1 Mech that has the Same Alpha as a Crow and does not have to aim? A 5 SRM 2 Kintaro?
Or a LRM Mech that gets countered by RADDEP?

Edited by Floodinator, 14 June 2016 - 04:19 PM.

[Darian DelFord]

The problem with streaks is simple

Most if not all clan builds utilzie the bugged Artemis. This allows them to get a lock in less time than a light mech can out maneuver them. Remove the Artemis feature from the streaks and then lets see what happens.

[VorpalAnvil]

Floodinator, on 14 June 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

@VorpalAnvil how long do you stay alive against 2 Alphas from 4 Crows? After 7s you are gone, what shall IS bring, 4 Oxides? Oh too bad the RT,LT is gone? Or 4 AC20? Wow 80 DMG still loses to 240 DMG, in a Fire and Forget mode!

I do this crazy thing where I bring some friends (team based mode in a team based game) and they actually bring good builds IE; not lurm 10 Ravens. Scouting is EZ mode for IS if you aren't a downie. Thank you for proving how meaningless PSR is.

JC Daxion, on 14 June 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

Yay.. So scout cue is filled with 55 ton mechs + oxide.. fun!!!


the biggest issue is not that there are Zero counters to the mech, its the streakcrow verse IS lights.

Maybe don't pilot a light? Or is this concept too outside the box for "the thinking man's shooter"?

[Darian DelFord]

VorpalAnvil, on 14 June 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

Maybe don't pilot a light? Or is this concept too outside the box for "the thinking man's shooter"?

Hmmmmm

Scout Mode............

[Afuldan McKronik]

SCrows have huge legs that don't have any angle that cannot be shot at. AC80 would destroy one leg outright. Oh, and RT destruction on any missile crow destroys 3 launchers.

Plus who only brings 4? I bring 5 and CAP and TAG. If I dont bring, you know, direct fire weapons instead of weapons that sandpaper a mech slowly.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Floodinator, on 14 June 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

Wow really? 1 Griffin with SRM aginst a Crow that has a way higher Alpha AND SSRM?
You have to hit them, Lag, Ping , bad Aim, etc. against almost 100% hit chance with a 60 DMG alpha times 4.
It is like a Smart against a Mercedes AMG in a drag race!




Get me 1 Mech that has the Same Alpha as a Crow and does not have to aim? A 5 SRM 2 Kintaro?
Or a LRM Mech that gets countered by RADDEP?

Are you actually suggesting that Streak SRMs are even remotely more useful than ASRMs in a 55ton vs 55ton battle?

Really though git gud.

[Mystere]

Floodinator, on 14 June 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

Get me 1 Mech that has the Same Alpha as a Crow and does not have to aim? A 5 SRM 2 Kintaro?
Or a LRM Mech that gets countered by RADDEP?

E.C.M.

I rarely see StreakCrows with BAP/CAP. Heck, I rarely see Mechs with BAP/CAP.

Edited by Mystere, 14 June 2016 - 04:29 PM.

[VorpalAnvil]

Darian DelFord, on 14 June 2016 - 04:27 PM, said:

Hmmmmm

Scout Mode............

The objective is to WIN regardless of what the "mode" is called. Have you played this game before?

[Steve Pryde]

Floodinator, on 14 June 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

Wow really? 1 Griffin with SRM aginst a Crow that has a way higher Alpha AND SSRM?
You have to hit them, Lag, Ping , bad Aim, etc. against almost 100% hit chance with a 60 DMG alpha times 4.
It is like a Smart against a Mercedes AMG in a drag race!

60 Dmg thats all over the place...

Here is a Griffin that outbrawls easily a Streakcrow:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...17a0ee664ffc4a2

Nearly 60 Dmg on a part on the target there u want to+ECM. That's two shots for a leg and it's gone. Don't know if its a good build, dont own a Griffin.

Edited by Steve Pryde, 14 June 2016 - 04:32 PM.

[N0ni]

Steve Pryde, on 14 June 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

aim for legs on Stormcrows

So much this, Stormcrow legs are the biggest weakness of the mech and so little people utilize this info.

Don't want to use SRMs on the legs? Use ballistics.

Don't want to use Ballistics? Use lasers.

Seriously, 95% of the mechlab will help you get those legs.

[VorpalAnvil]

Steve Pryde, on 14 June 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

Get a SRM Griffin and aim for legs on Stormcrows, then type GG into chat.