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[Appogee]

Mycrus, on 18 June 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

that ember though

Yeah, must have been a classic "d'oh" moment when the Oxide finally popped up on screen right behind him!

Narcissistic Martyr, on 18 June 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:

if your ally is shut down to protect their KDR or whatever, offer helpful advice like, the enemy is in X# go fight them you cowardly shameless inbred untermensh filth.

LOL.

[wanderer]

Shut down, no guns, Skirmish mode?

You're deliberately stalling the game. Heck, I'll call location then too. If I'm trying to skill up a new 'Mech, I don't need you locking my 'Mech out because your K/D gets a booboo for losing.

I'll warn em first, though. Get out there into the fight or you can sit there powered down and die embarrassed.

[Cy Mitchell]

His KDR took a hit because of you. Stats matter to some players (I am not one of them). Giving an enemy team intel on my team just rubs me the wrong way but I do understand the reasoning of those that just want to get to the next match as quick as possible.

[Mole]

I've reported the location of a lot of light 'mechs who are the last ones standing and just run off, hide, and power down. I've never had it happen on a 'mech that was disarmed, however. I've always done it to people who were, in come cases, almost completely fresh and just didn't want to die and just went and hid. I'll respond to a **** move with a **** move of my own. Eye for an eye, I say.

[YourSaviorLegion]

The Jenner was wasting everyone's time... plain and simple

[C E Dwyer]

Yeah by calling out the location your in violation, of the CoC people saying that you did the right thing are walking a tight rope if they do it themselves, and liable to getting Moderated themselves.

I can see why people do it but ignoring P.G.I's CoC because they don't like it is rather stupid, and sooner or later they will fall foul of it

What P.G.I calls non participation is in a grey area, they have never been specific in where a line is crossed, but, going by the amount of damage he's received and the fact his ammo is used up, I doubt P.G.I would act against him.

Had he shut down having hardly fired and in a virtually undamaged state, then yeah he'd be in violation of the non participating rule, but you still don't call the guy out as if the violater is reported by a person violating the CoC P.G.I can't justify action against them, unless they take action against everyone in that match that Violates the CoC

Edited by Cathy, 18 June 2016 - 02:41 PM.

[627]

you reported an AFK player who had no intend to play the game any longer.

Saul Goodman for me.

[Triordinant]

That scumbag was just out to protect his meaningless KDR and make everyone else wait 8 ******* minutes. I'd report HIM and then reveal his position.

[C E Dwyer]

YourSaviorLegion, on 18 June 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

The Jenner was wasting everyone's time... plain and simple

wasting time isn't a violation only non participating, the guy clearly had participated.

I personally feel that mechs that hang back costing your team the game just so they can mop up a few crippled mech for K/D far more ban worthy than what this jenner pilot is doing.

My feelings sadly are not in breach of the CoC either

Triordinant, on 18 June 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

That scumbag was just out to protect his meaningless KDR and make everyone else wait 8 ******* minutes. I'd report HIM and then reveal his position.

well if they acted against this 'scumbag' they would also act against you, once for helping out the other team and once for calling him a scumbag.

Just as well so few people bother reporting CoC violations isn't it

Edited by Cathy, 18 June 2016 - 02:37 PM.

[Mystere]

Hotthedd, on 18 June 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

I guess the question is: Is his K/DR more important than 7 minutes of 23 other people's time?

I say the OP did the right thing.

Sigh! Why do people keep insisting on this? Are people that clueless?

Hotthedd, on 18 June 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

I say the OP did the right thing.

The CoC absolutely says otherwise. <smh>

Edited by Mystere, 18 June 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

With nearly 200 mechs, it doesn't bother me as much when people become so ignorant and petty to go hide in a corner.
What pisses me off more is not that they're keeping their team mates mechs locked up, it's the fact that he's forcing 10 other people to waste THEIR time, because they are forced to search for and kill this mech if they want to claim the victory and take home the win prize. They don't have the luxury to simply quit the game like all the other dead mechs, choose a different mech, and keep playing. The game is still active and undecided. That Jenner and the other person who reported you can go sit on a cucumber, because you did the right thing. COC or no COC. There's the unspoken "you're an a**-hole" real-life conduct, and it doesn't need to be spelled out by someone else on a forum thread for people to know when people are in the wrong.

I don't care if it's against COC to reveal locations. He shuts down with no weapons, 8 mins to go, and it's 2-11 for the enemy... He's locking up 23 other people's mechs, and forcing 10 people to aimlessly wander around to play hide-and-seek. Yeah, that's a d**k move.

I think it's hilarious that people throw up "you violated the conduct!!" card when they themselves violate it. Bunch of hypocrites, and PGI should double their penalty for being manipulative a**-hats.

In my opinion, his intention was obvious enough to warrant the reveal. I don't think it would be too farfetched to think that there's people out there who bait people like you, just so they can have a reason to report you.

But in the end, it's just a game, so I wouldn't care if I got banned for sticking up for my principles. I'd take the fight to PGI. But in reality, it's just a game, and we don't need a**-hat people like that ruining it.

I know I'm being abrasive with this post. But it rubs me the wrong way to see people like that who shut-down, and then instantly try to change their story and blame you for something instead of being honest to themselves.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 18 June 2016 - 02:52 PM.

[Mystere]

Appogee, on 18 June 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

I'd appreciate your point of view on whether I did the wrong thing?

As per the CoC, you were 100% wrong.

As for the last player on your team, what is he supposed to do if he has no more weapons and/or ammo? Is he supposed to just report for execution? Should he just voluntarily help pad someone else's KDR?

MoonUnitBeta, on 18 June 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't care if it's against COC to reveal locations. He shuts down with no weapons, 8 mins to go, and it's 2-11 for the enemy... He's locking up 23 other people's mechs, and forcing 10 people to aimlessly wander around to play hide-and-seek. Yeah, that's a d**k move.

I ask you the same question.

Edited by Mystere, 18 June 2016 - 02:52 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Mystere, on 18 June 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

As for the last player on your team, what is he supposed to do if he has no more weapons and/or ammo? Is he supposed to just report for execution? Should he just voluntarily help pad someone else's KDR?

Assuming that the stats page is even remotely accurate.
If people are pissing about a 0.001% change in their KDR, or a 0.001% change to someone elses KDR, you think it would matter if we consider that the error margin of the stats page could be something more like 1.0%?

People pissing over one game and use an inaccurate KDR stat as an argument are already playing a losing game.

sista, plz.

[C E Dwyer]

O.k having just re read the amended Coc about non participation.

Yes the oxide guy was in violation of CoC, because he was the last mech and had no way of winning, because he had no ammo left.

Had it been in a match say skirmish and his team was winning 5v4 it would have been completely legit, to shut down to run out the timer in the hope that no other mech on his team were killed or in a conquest game to run out the timer for a win, on caps.

However your still in violation for helping the other team by calling out his location, had you kept quiet and said nothing, you would have been entitled to use the official report system or even screen shot it and sent it in manually, had you felt like it.

[Xetelian]

I violated the code of conduct on this issue plenty of times, I hate skirmish for this reason.

Skirmish would be my favorite mode if there was a way a team could surrender when 9 mechs are dead on their side.


Skirmish eats up a LOT of time finding the guy that disconnected at the beginning or never connected in the first place.



You can't spectate someone disconnected so you can't share their location and end the match. This is stupid.

[ScarecrowES]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 18 June 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

I would have told them in team chat that I was going to report for non-participation (giving them the chance to end it like a warrior) and then report them if they did not engage.

There was no way for them to win or even get another kill/inflate their score. All they were doing was protecting a useless stat on a screen only they can see.

This is my general feeling as well.

Shutting down near the end of the match to run out the clock is a CoC violation - and thus is reportable. Team treason is also a CoC violation, and reportable. But I do not, personally, see reporting the position of a non-participant to be team treason. For all intents and purposes, you're doing little more than calling out the position of a player that has chosen to go afk (something that is NOT a violation).

Now, having said that, I would have given the player in question an opportunity to start participating again by warning him of the violation he was making. "Get moving or get reported."

Reporting the location of non-participants is a gray area in terms of PGI enforcement. There have been players penalized for doing so (forever ago), but in so many other cases these folks win out though lack of enforcement on the part of PGI, or having them side with the reported. Morally, I think the community generally agrees that shutting down and running out the clock is a **** move.

Mystere, on 18 June 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

As for the last player on your team, what is he supposed to do if he has no more weapons and/or ammo? Is he supposed to just report for execution? Should he just voluntarily help pad someone else's KDR?

According to the CoC of the game he's playing... yes... he's supposed to engage the enemy and die.

[Kubernetes]

It's one death. If you're afraid a precipitous fall in KDR because of one death...

Also, why do you care if someone else's KDR goes up?

[Parmeggido]

NoiseCrypt, on 18 June 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

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https://mwomercs.com/conduct

There are situations that do not fall within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended for. The use of the shutdown mechanic or avoiding contact with the enemy under the following situations may be classed as an act of non-participation, subject to evaluation and moderation actions by Support services:

• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.

Isn't it funny? Someone has already posted the relevant info from the CoC, directly linked to the CoC, and it just gets ignored. So here it is again, with the rest chopped off for better emphasis.

[wanderer]

Mystere, on 18 June 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

As per the CoC, you were 100% wrong.

As for the last player on your team, what is he supposed to do if he has no more weapons and/or ammo? Is he supposed to just report for execution? Should he just voluntarily help pad someone else's KDR?

I ask you the same question.

If it's Skirmish? Yes. To whit, just keep ramming enemies until you die. Who knows? You might even kill something, even if collision damage is incredibly low. I've accidentally DFA'd a light that way by charging off the platform on Crimson, then landing on a what was apparently a cherry-red Jenner.

Splut. Or take a flying leap off a large enough object if you're damaged enough and snap your legs off.

If you're the last player in Skirmish on your team and have no guns, die already.

[Davegt27]

One time on assault (back before VoIP) I had all my weapons shot off so I went back to our base

Got on top of a turret and sat there

The red team killed all but me, when they started to get close I typed Charge! And ran right into them

I died like a true Mech warrior and everyone got a kick out of it lol