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[Appogee]

A well-known high-performance pilot told me today that I'd violated the Code of Conduct.

Someone on my team also said they'd report me.

You can see what transpired in the following brief video - I've masked the pilot's name and the chat box, so as to be careful not to potentially name and shame.

I'd appreciate your point of view on whether I did the wrong thing? (In future, I'll do whatever the majority of people in this thread advise me would be the right thing to do.)

Edited by Appogee, 18 June 2016 - 06:02 AM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Yeah, you violated the code of conduct. The Oxide participated (as evidenced by his extreme damage state), so what you did was team treason.

The correct thing to do there is leave the match if you don't care to wait.

Edit: Even if he hadn't participated, the correct thing wouldn't be to report his position to the enemy, but rather to report him in the end-of-match screen for non-participation.

Edited by Levi Porphyrogenitus, 18 June 2016 - 06:04 AM.

[Aresye]

Technically you were both wrong, however I wouldn't worry about it. You've got this video as evidence to prove to PGI that there was absolutely no way that shutting down and evading the enemy would have contributed towards victory for your team.

Edit:
Remember, PGI is a game company, not a law firm. I'd have a hard time seeing them punish somebody for calling somebody out who's blatantly intending on drawing out the match for another 7.5 minutes for no reason.

Edited by Aresye, 18 June 2016 - 06:12 AM.

[Appogee]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 18 June 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

Yeah, you violated the code of conduct. The Oxide participated (as evidenced by his extreme damage state), so what you did was team treason. The correct thing to do there is leave the match if you don't care to wait.

Thanks for taking the time to share your point of view, I appreciate it.

Aresye, on 18 June 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

Technically you were both wrong, however I wouldn't worry about it. You've got this video as evidence to prove to PGI that there was absolutely no way that shutting down and evading the enemy would have contributed towards victory for your team.

And thanks also to you.

[NoiseCrypt]

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https://mwomercs.com/conduct
Shutting Down your ‘Mech or avoiding engagements with the enemy, and when doing so might be considered non-participation
All pilots have access to a Shutdown command for their ‘Mechs, mapped by default to the ‘P’ key and listed as ‘Toggle Power’ in the keyboard menu.
The primary benefit to shutting down your ‘Mech is that it will no longer appear on enemy radar. In the deciding moments of a close match with few ‘Mechs left standing on the battlefield, effective use of the shutdown mechanic and/or evasion tactics has the potential to provide you with the following benefits:

• Breaking a target lock
  
• Appearing ‘heat neutral’ on maps where Thermal Vision might commonly be used
  
• Presenting on opportunity for staging an ambush
  
• Evading detection long enough to secure a win through Conquest points
  
• Evading detection long enough to secure a timer expiration win when you have superior numbers, in circumstances where you may be too critically damaged to otherwise risk a direct engagement with the enemy

The above situations are considered to be within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended to be used for.

There are situations that do not fall within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended for. The use of the shutdown mechanic or avoiding contact with the enemy under the following situations may be classed as an act of non-participation, subject to evaluation and moderation actions by Support services:

• Ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match if you still have support equipment, useful modules, or weapons (with any necessary ammo) available. Losing your primary weapon is not an acceptable excuse for hiding and/or shutting down if you still have a secondary weapon, a support-based item such as a TAG, or a consumable module available for use.
  
• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.
  
• Running out the clock or needlessly extending the duration of a Faction Play match in an attempt to keep a particular group or Unit in the current engagement for as long as possible, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory, is not considered an acceptable tactic.

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Since there was no possible way for the Oxide to win the match by shutting down, I would also have shared his location.

But I don't know if that is wrong, and the only "legal" option is to report him after the match...

Edited by NoiseCrypt, 18 June 2016 - 06:17 AM.

[Admiral_Korean_Jesus]

I would of told the location of this scrub to for wasting my time.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

I would have told them in team chat that I was going to report for non-participation (giving them the chance to end it like a warrior) and then report them if they did not engage.

There was no way for them to win or even get another kill/inflate their score. All they were doing was protecting a useless stat on a screen only they can see.

Edited by Aetes Nakatomi, 18 June 2016 - 06:22 AM.

[I Love MechAssault]

Not sure how I feel about it in this case. He shut down facing a wall, and had no weapons or modules.

In most cases, give them a minute or so to see what happens. There's still time for that one person to get their one kill or make a crazy play and shutdowns are useful for that. In this case though I agree with Aetes above.

[Clownwarlord]

Depends, in this case I would say no. No weapons, facing a wall, and shut down on edge of map. Clearly intent to not participate.

But I have also in a case have shut down near the edge of a map near enemy waiting for them to walk by so I can come out shooting. Although in my case I had weapons, and was facing out to watch for enemy to come by. I also was legged crossing over a hill that dropped me on the other side which an assault mech had to walk all the way around the hill to get me ... so I waited for him in a shadow. But in my case I had full intent to attack, where as the person in the video showed they clearly had no intent when they powered down facing the wall.

[Mycrus]

Appogee, on 18 June 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

A well-known high-performance pilot told me today that I'd violated the Code of Conduct.

Someone on my team also said they'd report me.

You can see what transpired in the following brief video - I've masked the pilot's name and the chat box, so as to be careful not to potentially name and shame.

I'd appreciate your point of view on whether I did the wrong thing? (In future, I'll do whatever the majority of people in this thread advise me would be the right thing to do.)

that ember though

[Trauglodyte]

You did nothing wrong. He hid and shut down to avoid getting killed. Reporting him to the enemy team to hurry the game along was the right thing to do. He only powered back up because you wrote what you did. The only exception here would have been an instance where he had ammo and went to a location to hide and shut down to ambush a couple of folks coming to him. Given that wasn't the case, you're in the free and clear. People shouldn't be douchebags - hiding makes you a douche. Reporting a douche makes you a stand up guy.

[Kadreal]

If this map wasn't designed to trap everyone inbounds, you wouldn't have this problem as much. I know when I get in this situation( Last mech alive, no weapons left) I leave the battlefield if at all possible. I don't want to throw my helpless mech at the enemy team, but I don't want to waste everyone's time either.

[Hotthedd]

I guess the question is: Is his K/DR more important than 7 minutes of 23 other people's time?

I say the OP did the right thing.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Shutting down when you're the last mech left is acceptable to either A run the clock out on conquest or B let the enemy chasing you run past you and then ambush them.

Don't report position, however, if your ally is shut down to protect their KDR or whatever, offer helpful advice like, the enemy is in X# go fight them you cowardly shameless inbred untermensh filth.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Under CoC I think you are in the clear. I wish you could be banned for reporting locations with treason but PGI had to cave to the people who have no business hitting launch when 15 mins is to long for them to play a match. So many ADHD players who need to be dictators to others just because they are dead it isn't funny. Regardless if he had no weapons or not there are means to locate him. BAP can be used to find shutdown mechs and the enemy team could have just mounted a search. Turning the situation into a survival game is at least a way to have to break up the staleness of TDM in every game mode and have a little fun.

This issue is my biggest pet peave with this community. If it is fun for someone to play survival mode once their team gets wiped that bad...go for it. You have to manufacture your own fun in this game sometimes to do repetitive boredom.

[Mister Blastman]

Screw the shutdown loser. He deserved to be ratted out.

[Alistair Winter]

You did nothing wrong. There was no way he could win. He was just wasting everyone's time. You're not going to get in trouble for this. Avoiding combat is only acceptable when it can theoretically result in victory.

[Moldur]

It is possible to be wrong even when correcting someone else for being wrong. Such is the joy of the code of conduct.

[Appogee]

Thanks everyone above for sharing your opinion, I appreciate it.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Alistair Winter, on 18 June 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

You did nothing wrong. There was no way he could win. He was just wasting everyone's time. You're not going to get in trouble for this. Avoiding combat is only acceptable when it can theoretically result in victory.

He's legally wrong but morally right so PGI won't do **** to him. But still, ratting locations is against CoC.