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[Aresye]

True, new weapons would introduce new balance problems, but to be completely honest I'd rather they introduce new weapons and suffer through a few months or so of imbalance, rather than keep trying to get this mythical balance they're striving for with existing weapons.

IMO, things are close enough as they are right now, but I'm tired of the weapons we have. I'm sure even the non-meta players are pretty sick of the small crop of weapons available. Would love to see some fresh tech.

[Lily from animove]

I hope the blackhawk KU will be one of the first IS omnis.

Triordinant, on 19 June 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

I'd rather go BACK in time to the game's original setting: 3015.

what for? all you see in this triale rmay look good, but you know this is far away form how every MW was played and ever will be played.

[MauttyKoray]

Garfuncle, on 19 June 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

There was some talk of a possible timeskip in the last town hall and I feel that Operation Bulldog
would be the logical choice. Yes, yes the Mad Cat mk.II isn't there, but here me out.

--It's the next major event in the timeline after Tukkayid, which we've already had.

--It's the IS pushing back, making the ebb and flow of the faction map make more sense.

--New iconic mechs. Bushwacker, Firefly, Owens, Strider, Cougar, Nova Cat.

--Most importantly, new weapons/equipment. Heavy lasers, IS ultra autocannons, IS streaks, IS ERmed, laser reflective armor.

I think this would breathe much needed new life into the game, while keeping to a coherent progression of time.

I actually agree with this to a point. It opens up more mechs without having to stretch out of timeline, gives us some new weapons, and brings us the ability to use a new event 'operation bulldog'.

Two things though

1. I don't think heavy lasers should be included, at least not yet. But things to fill the IS gaps like IS ERs, Ultras, SSRMs, etc to provide PGI a better ability to balance weapons without doing ridiculous things like giving standard IS Small/Meduim lasers crazy ranges, or attempting to balance SSRMs and UACs without an IS alternative.

(A Side note: I think the AC/UAC balance is flawed and they should have been separated by type not faction. ACs firing a single slug and then UACs firing a 'volley' to give each a unique flavor.)

2.We could have a CW event cycle going through both events, first leading up to Tukayyid and then to progressing into operation bulldog with another clash event to mark the end of that cycle as well.

[wanderer]

Imperius, on 19 June 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Edit: I've only pushed for the MK II because it's a mech that uses current tech and I obviously wanted it but some idiot in Battletechs past decided to make its production date way out there yet gave it old tech... Rolls eyes

That's because the MK II was literally meant to be a way to use up the Clan equivalent of army surplus. Even the name was meant to be a sales pitch.

Anyway: Much more new tech would take things that right now, MWO has shown no capacity of doing right. Anyone wanna think what happens when we hit things like real, honest-to-goodness C3 networking?

Edited by wanderer, 20 June 2016 - 06:38 PM.

[DivineEvil]

I'm against it. There's still tons of mechs to incorporate, there's mech-mounted artillery weapons, that are still not in the game, and there's too much work ahead for solidifying MWO in its present timeline. Timeskip will ruin everything for years ahead, reduce TTK even further and blend IS and Clans together, reducing the identity for both factions. Only immatures and fanboys would really argue for it. There's no actually logical argument in support for it.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

wanderer, on 20 June 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

That's because the MK II was literally meant to be a way to use up the Clan equivalent of army surplus. Even the name was meant to be a sales pitch.

Anyway: Much more new tech would take things that right now, MWO has shown no capacity of doing right. Anyone wanna think what happens when we hit things like real, honest-to-goodness C3 networking?

It was designed with IS tech in mind to keep the other Clans from naming the makers treasonous scum. Same with the HA OTOKO.

[dervishx5]

Mechwarrior1441491, on 20 June 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

It was designed with IS tech in mind to keep the other Clans from naming the makers treasonous scum. Same with the HA OTOKO.

Well, no. Ha Otoko is barebones. Mk II is pretty advanced. Still designed to sell to runaway budget militaries like the Fedsuns though. So you are right there.

[Snowbluff]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 19 June 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

and even the dreaded MKII would fit now.

Muahahahahahaha

MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHA >:3

[Garfuncle]

DivineEvil, on 20 June 2016 - 07:04 PM, said:

Only immatures and fanboys would really argue for it. There's no actually logical argument in support for it.

You lost any semblance of legitimacy when you typed this.

[Archangel.84]

Strum Wealh, on 19 June 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

I imagine that a much shorter range would be a more-realistic expectation.

For example, only going to 3057 gives PGI both Operation Guerrero (CapCon & FWL declare war on the FedSuns & Lyrans) and the Refusal War (the storyline of MW2, Falcons vs Wolves) as events for Faction Warfare & access to the chassis in TRO 3055 and a few from TRO 3058 (e.g. Falcon Hawk, Enfield, Bushwacker, Merlin, Maelstrom, Devastator, etc), while stopping short of the point where they'd have to introduce many new weapons all-at-once (as most of the new weapons and gear were introduced in 3058).

It's even not-unthinkable that PGI might be even more conservative, and go to only 3055/3056 for similar reasons (more chassis available, finally moving past Tukayyid, less/no pressure to dump a large number of new weapons into the game all-at-once or in quick succession, etc).

Thoughts?

Yep. Operation Guerrero didn't get featured in videogames, but it was hugely relevant in setting up the Civil War.

And I don't see why you would ever skip over the Refusal War, one of the most critical and well-represented conflicts in the BT universe. It was the setting of Mechwarrior 2, got a number of novels, and featured the death of a fan-favorite character.

Edited by Archangel.84, 20 June 2016 - 08:33 PM.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

They can make any event in any time frame giving large bonuses for those who use mechs of that era. Don't give penalties to those who use future mechs. Our suspension of disbelief needs to be working 100% to accept it, but it's the only way without blocking certain mechs out or giving negatives to rewards. (not an option to both.)

We'll never see the time line move at a certain pace in some sort of chronological campaign, unlocking mechs when they are released. It's never going to happen so why not make the FP campaigns jump around.

[Novakaine]

3025!

[Mechwarrior1441491]

There are a host of new achievements that could be added with era based campaigns. There is already a large list that needs to be in there. ie NARC. Destroying mechs while you are jumping. Destroying mechs that are jumping.

[Xiomburg]

Anything having to invade the clans with merc units the way they are now is not conceivable, nor would it be fun.