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[Mr Papi]

Or make regular AC weapons with faster velocity and more range and uacs with a little more cool down and less range

[STEF_]

Escef, on 19 June 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

In the meantime, adapt and overcome.

yea... but don't worry: even the Kodiak will be nerfed, when it'll come out for c-bills

(are you "adapting" with KDK-3, paying it for real $? )

[meteorol]

xXBagheeraXx, on 19 June 2016 - 07:30 PM, said:

NO. its not. THe incredible velocity and range buffs you got made that mech one of the best AC20 boats in the game. The shells didnt take 4 years to get there and combined with the missle CD quirks and a few SRM4's makde this thing brutal at short range fights.

Yes it is. It still has 15/15 velocity and range instead of 25/25, which is still plenty. Just because one build got worse (honestly, you are probably one of 5 dudes running AC20s on the MX90), it doesn't mean the mech is now terrible.

9 of 10 MX90 are either running 5AC 5 or 2UAC 5, 3 AC5. Those are "the" meta builds for this mech and pretty much everyone runs them. And they will still be good with 15/15 velocity and range, it will only affect how easy it is to hit moving targets at 600-700m +.

Was that nerf necessary? I don't think so. Will it kill the MX90? Hardly. What will happen though is that the nerf will lower its only advantage over the KDK3: long range dakka. The KDK 3 aside (which has been topic of more than enough balance discussions, no need to start a new one here) the MX90 still sh*ts on every other ballistic assault even with 15/15 quirks.

Edited by meteorol, 19 June 2016 - 11:34 PM.

[Alistair Winter]

Good riddance. People were just min-maxing the Mauler as a ballistic boat anyway. Empty arms, no missile launchers. That's not a Mauler. And reducing MWO to a game where you only need WASD + Mouse 1 to group fire your 5xAC5 is just... ugh.

I'll keep using my Mauler, because all my 4 variants happen to have all 3 weapon types. This change doesn't have a huge impact for me. And all the meta jockeys can move on to using the KDK-3 in the solo queue. That's fine.

[Y E O N N E]

As if having to use multiple mouse buttons was any more complex...

[oldradagast]

Yeah, it was dumb. Not only did they get larger (maybe that was needed, maybe not), but they were giving stupid quirks, too.

That's my biggest concern with the rescale; PGI constantly demonstrates a lack of understanding of the game with quirks, giving out stupid ones and failing to give out needed ones (anyone remember how long the Jenner's went with no durability buffs despite being nothing but center torso?) Now, we're depending upon them to rebalance the game - again - post rescaling, and so far the quirk changes we're seeing are not reassuring.

[Ghogiel]

It was slightly OP overall. Definitely in CW def... oh wait that was before the KDK came out.

[MeiSooHaityu]

xXBagheeraXx, on 19 June 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

They where THE best IS dakka mech. High mounts and the 15% rof ment you could really put down some suppression on anything you hit. Underquirked or unquirked UAC5's fire painfully slow. That mech was perfect where it was.

Why cant we have nice things? WHY?

IF anyone has Twitter and can post this on Russ's account I'd appreciate it. This makes ZERO sense, and of all the things ive seen in this game this one I'd like to bring up before it goes live.

I think you kind of answered your own question. They lowered the quirk on multiple high mount dakka (where it was possibly too powerful) and gave quirks to the lasers where it was lacking.

I'm not saying I entirely agree with PGI's adjustments (I do have Maulers after all), but I will say that I at least understand it. PGI wants that kind of dakka down low (hence the King Crab's dakka bonuses). They just don't want dakka bonuses for the more ideal position.

Basically, they don't see quirks as a way to boost positiv s further, but to try and improve negative attributes. Well, I think that is the idea anyway.

In any case, I understand the decision. I would like the dakka to stay, but I see the method to madness.

[Belacose]

Was a bit sad to see the nerfs to my Mauler, but they're not really all that severe. Size increased a tiny bit. 10% off range and velocity of balistics and a buff to little used secondary weapons.

Still a good mech. No need to say R.I.P.

[Weeny Machine]

The Mauler's dakka was easily evaded because it was slow. A mech which was perfect which got nerfed...why exactly?

But hey, KDK-3 can stay as it is? Ah yes, PGI is "collecting data" until it is out for C-Bills.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

So after all the complaints about the KDK-3, rather than removing the KDK-3's quirks after fixing the hitboxes, they nerf all the Kodiak's competitors except the Battlemaster..... PGI, help me understand your ways, because this wasn't a dartboard, it was targeted (well for the most part).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 20 June 2016 - 07:14 AM.

[Yellonet]

I guess quirks are getting toned down in general, which should be good as long as it's done fairly across the board.

[Bud Crue]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 20 June 2016 - 07:14 AM, said:

So after all the complaints about the KDK-3, rather than removing the KDK-3's quirks after fixing the hitboxes, they nerf all the Kodiak's competitors except the Battlemaster..... PGI, help me understand your ways, because this wasn't a dartboard, it was targeted (well for the most part).

Agreed. I actually don't really care what the weapon quirks are. I just wished they made some sense. I mean if the quirks were about balance then explain what was done to the Grasshoppers (for example). If the quirks were about giving mechs character then please explain the Mauler, or even the Quickdraw, changes (for example). I get that our views don't matter but it would still be nice to know what the rationale for this sytem is, as it is I can't make heads or tails of it.