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[BashT]

Mech Amphetamine, on 27 June 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

That means he knows other Players in Person who share his opinion on this topic.

As for your point about smaller Units; yes quality weighs more than quantity if getting a win is your Goal. BUT, if a smaller yet better unit attacks a planet with a 12-man Premade, and a Bigger Unit hops in with 4x12 Premades (yes i know, rarely happens). The bigger Unit will get the Tag, even if the smaller Unit wins every game.

There for I am for Splitting the Giant Units so everyone has the Chance to place their Tag once in a while.

And u think having a meaningless tag besides a meaningless plante will solve all fp issues?
splitting big units will resolve even more in playerbase decay. The highly fp active will Form a unit. The not so active will stop playing because no one to drop or either form a unit that joins the samr faction to still drop together.
as a doc would you cure pestilence with cholera?
Ppl should open their mind that splitting units in smaller bits does not resolve anything.

[Mech Amphetamine]

BashT, on 29 June 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

And u think having a meaningless tag besides a meaningless plante will solve all fp issues?
splitting big units will resolve even more in playerbase decay. The highly fp active will Form a unit. The not so active will stop playing because no one to drop or either form a unit that joins the samr faction to still drop together.
as a doc would you cure pestilence with cholera?
Ppl should open their mind that splitting units in smaller bits does not resolve anything.

Well no, this will not solve all FP issues, you´re right.
But it could solve this one Problem. At least ist a Problem that bothers me. As M A N T I S wrote, the gamemode Needs a Goal, or a number of Goals.
Getting your unit´s TAG on a Planet is one of those!

Of Course you´re right that Players will group up and Play together even if their TAG isnt TCAF or MS etc. And they should!
I dont want to have big Units split for them not to Play together, but for the smaller Units sake, so they have the opportunity to achive that "Goal".

And ist funny that you mention it. I am a Doc, and yes there were historical cases where Neurosyphilis was treated and healed by vaccination with Malaria-Infested Blood

[Danjo San]

BashT, on 29 June 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

And u think having a meaningless tag besides a meaningless plante will solve all fp issues?
splitting big units will resolve even more in playerbase decay. The highly fp active will Form a unit. The not so active will stop playing because no one to drop or either form a unit that joins the samr faction to still drop together.
as a doc would you cure pestilence with cholera?
Ppl should open their mind that splitting units in smaller bits does not resolve anything.

yeah, aside that the not so active already have resigned. Small Units have no Goal in the End-Game Content.
Why do you think NFL-Teams are limited in numbers? As other Team-Games are... To assure your team has the best players and not just all the players... if a rich team could buy all the star players, how would any other team stand a chance at all?
NFL is limited to 52 Players, with 11 on the field at the same time ... Do you think NFL would be half as interesting if there were teams that hogged 300 players? meh...
Units should have a cap

[justcallme A S H]

Danjo go and look at the top 20 Merc units as at today. I did last night, it told a story, one I already knew.
The top 20 is a 50/50 split between big units (60+) and small units (60-). If large units were actually the real problem, the top 20 would be more likely a 80/20 split, wouldn't you agree?

If a 25 member unit can have just as many planetary wins as a 150 person unit, that clearly refutes your argument that large units are a problem. This game rewards active players, like basically every game.
The only reason you have an issue with it is because one time at band camp, you tried to tag a planet and failed. Now you're upset.

Your sole issue here is you do not understand the underlying cause, despite many peoples attempts to do so.

Big units are not an issue, they weren't a problem in phase 2, so why are they "suddenly" a problem now? Why are big units perceived to be an issue, is only because of how FP3 was designed.

1st issue - single attack lanes which causes large units to "appear" to flood a planet because they literally have nowhere else to go. This is a result of FP3 implementation and nothing else.

2nd issue - the MC for a planet TAG.
If this was altered (for eg) to 1MC for every successful match victory, per player, capped at 5MC per cycle (60 games, free mechbay) and for the Unit that TAGs it they get maybe 20MC a cycle as an extra reward capped at say 40MC (stops mass rushing planets).

There is more to it, but that about rounds it up.
This is the last time I'll try and help you understand the underlying/root causes of the end result you're complaining about constantly and the essentially knee-jerk reaction of destroying big units to "fix all", which it will not.

Big units play an important role in keeping MWO going, this needs to be preserved and a balance found.

Edited by R31Nismoid, 29 June 2016 - 03:34 PM.

[El Bandito]

Too many factions ATM. PGI should let people choose a faction badge, but keep the fight between IS and Clans only--only two opposing factions. Later on they can divide it a bit into Warden and Crusader Clans etc...

[Danjo San]

R31Nismoid, on 29 June 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

Danjo go and look at the top 20 Merc units as at today. I did last night, it told a story, one I already knew.
The top 20 is a 50/50 split between big units (60+) and small units (60-). If large units were actually the real problem, the top 20 would be more likely a 80/20 split, wouldn't you agree?

If a 25 member unit can have just as many planetary wins as a 150 person unit, that clearly refutes your argument that large units are a problem. This game rewards active players, like basically every game.
The only reason you have an issue with it is because one time at band camp, you tried to tag a planet and failed. Now you're upset.

Your sole issue here is you do not understand the underlying cause, despite many peoples attempts to do so.

Big units are not an issue, they weren't a problem in phase 2, so why are they "suddenly" a problem now? Why are big units perceived to be an issue, is only because of how FP3 was designed.

1st issue - single attack lanes which causes large units to "appear" to flood a planet because they literally have nowhere else to go. This is a result of FP3 implementation and nothing else.

2nd issue - the MC for a planet TAG.
If this was altered (for eg) to 1MC for every successful match victory, per player, capped at 5MC per cycle (60 games, free mechbay) and for the Unit that TAGs it they get maybe 20MC a cycle as an extra reward capped at say 40MC (stops mass rushing planets).

There is more to it, but that about rounds it up.
This is the last time I'll try and help you understand the underlying/root causes of the end result you're complaining about constantly and the essentially knee-jerk reaction of destroying big units to "fix all", which it will not.

Big units play an important role in keeping MWO going, this needs to be preserved and a balance found.

On the contrary, large units ghostdropping were a problem in Phase 1, the result was PGI made it harder tho ghostdrop.
then in phase 2 large Merc Units roaming around freely screwing up NAP's and such were a problem, so PGI moves down to one attack Lane and gives Loyalists the sole voting right on the attack lanes.
Now in Phase 3 all the large Groups started to cluster in Falcon and Steiner. creating no form of balance... In all three Phases so far you can boil down to large clusters creating imbalance.

Yeah tried to tag a planet once... that one time at band camp. We have tagged a planet once. TCAF was busy attacking Davions and we managed to hold off 2-3 Dropships that tried to attack us. And we got a Tag, that was in Phase 2, when two attack lanes meant you could do that, now you can have that if the opposing team decides to attack you as well.
Your Top 20 argument regarding Planets therefore is hard to be accurate. One succesfull match can be enough. even a Solo Player can tag a Planet, by defending it once and just dropping with random freelancers. just because the system allows it it does not mean it works out for everyone.
Just because there are active and effective 20-30 sized Units does not mean that others are being held back by the fact that sheer numbers at anytime can void all your efforts by overrunning you at any given time.
We set up skrims, kickstarted matches, last night we organized with another davion team for matches... 0/0 all evening until our set time, couple matches in guess who wakes up and claims the tag again?
It's not "that one time at bandcamp" its a daily routine. And trust me when I say I know a bunch of players that quit for that exact reason, and they would have most likely stayed if a "fair" competition for the grand prize was given and not just "you buy more tickets, your win is guaranteed"

[rox5tar]

Nice questionnaire. I believe it responded to a lot of issues, minor and large.

[multisoul]

make contract bonuses/penalties
LOWER lower!
even no penalties like before. its a game! I want to fool around with it, alhtough you can do a tour around faction only at faction rank 20, then you loose only the title
i hope it takes in account i dont agree with most of choices and even no choice i would choose
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i too complain about team mates that do not help in cw, but hey, its part of war.
even if you are completely new (AFTER FINISHING TRAININ GROUNDS) come to try CW and then try it later when you have better mechs again, but please be a team player
stay together focus fire (shoot the most damaged enemy or the one at which others shoot), its enough
call targets, its the next level
you are welcome in trials, but please you have 4 mech bays at start, choose a mech based on your trials experience and buy 3 variants and always use as many as possible of them in cw, also use all c-bills to improve them and try new load-out, strip a mech before selling it

its normal that in a war completely untrained and unprofessional civilians are forced to jump in war machines and start shooting, also the reactions are normal: panic, suicide, stroke, e.t.c.
hence if someone behaves like that you can report him to the command, they will send him to the labor camps immediately, after all someone has to produce the resources for building these fine war machines.
so when in the midst of battle you see some mech not moving do not be alarmed, some recruits who have bypassed or cheated at the medical tests will perish due to, but not only: stroke, heart attack, shock, numbness
if you see someone rushing in the fight without any result dying in a manner of seconds - it is the big old PANIC, stay out of their path to avoid team damage
if they move or act against orders and common sense, beware, stay out of their way: its overconfidence and lesser forms of panic, let them die in a pointless attack to avoid team damage

the quality of mechs matters, but team work much much more