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[kapusta11]

When it's too late?

[Chuck Jager]

Kinda come to the conclusion that many of the nascar issues start with folks who do not have an SSD installed. If I am in an assault and I have group players without an SSD and a similar speed, I will be one square away from them. Medium and lights can be more.

This is from people I am on coms with and I know are ready to go. Now there are also folks who are busy doing whatever while they are waiting to drop.

[Bohxim]

I don't know.. Maybe of the players I drop with don't have ssd and I'm rarely ever a little in front of them (100-200 m) even in a fast heavy.

But agreed. It is funny (sometimes in a ragy way) when you're in an assault right in the front line pushing to get an advantageous position and people shout to stop nascaring. Like seriously? How's you get out-nascar by assaults generally? It just meant you pushed into the front Lane and got caught in their primary push. Good teams know when it's a good time to nascar/kite if you will, to turn the tides of battle. Bog's a great place to test such movements

[adamts01]

Bohxim, on 27 June 2016 - 11:15 PM, said:

ssd

Chuck Jager, on 27 June 2016 - 10:45 PM, said:

SSD

what the hell is a ssd?

[totgeboren]

Lots of mechs have their primary firepower on the right side, therefore they want cover on their left side. Going left for them means they will need to expose their entire mech to engage, which can actually mean the enemy (who also have firepower on their right side) will have time to shoot and twist/withdraw before you have managed to get your right arm around whatever cover is separating the sides.

Nascar counter-clockwise is purely a phenomenon of mech design.

Edited by totgeboren, 27 June 2016 - 11:46 PM.

[adamts01]

totgeboren, on 27 June 2016 - 11:45 PM, said:

Lots of mechs have their primary firepower on the right side, therefore they want cover on their left side. Going left for them means they will need to expose their entire mech to engage, which can actually mean the enemy (who also have firepower on their right side) will have time to shoot and twist/withdraw before you have managed to get your right arm around whatever cover is separating the sides.

Nascar counter-clockwise is purely a phenomenon of mech design.

I don't think it's that simple. I think part of it is how we drive in America. We drive on the right side and usually walk on the right hand side. It's just natural for us to go right. I bet a noob team full on laser boat hellbringers would still go right. It's just stupid.


And what does ssd stand for in this game? I feel like the the fat kid not getting picked for dodgeball. I want to know this secret word?

[Kotzi]

No, its a i dont wanna be shot so i get the hell out of here phenomenon. Seen too many times when the "team" keeps on or even starts to run and nascar although a UAV shows that the enemy is right at their tail.

[adamts01]

**** these leaderboards. You see teamplay go to **** when there's an event. These stupid leaderboards are like a 24/7 event. I seriously think that's part of it. Someone chasing the kdr spot doesn't give a **** about a win, they'll alpha the stick while they're being shot by 2 fresh mechs.

[Idealsuspect]

adamts01, on 27 June 2016 - 05:53 PM, said:

If your tail is mixing it up with enemy assaults, you've been out NASCARed. Turn around and engage.

And for heaven's sake, if half your team is in a brawl, please don't use that opportunity to break contact and start a NASCAR.

I understand it's a valid tactic, but damn, use that thing between your ears.

Man it's too OP tactic.
MWO playerbase dont like cheezy matchs they prefer offer theirs backs and die one by one for give at the end a big "GG" to reds .

Edited by Idealsuspect, 28 June 2016 - 12:42 AM.

[totgeboren]

adamts01, on 28 June 2016 - 12:04 AM, said:

I don't think it's that simple. I think part of it is how we drive in America. We drive on the right side and usually walk on the right hand side. It's just natural for us to go right. I bet a noob team full on laser boat hellbringers would still go right. It's just stupid.


And what does ssd stand for in this game? I feel like the the fat kid not getting picked for dodgeball. I want to know this secret word?

Well, it's why I go right most of the time.

SSD stands for Solid State Drive. The idea is that people who load faster have more time to communicate with the others. The one with the slowest hard drive will only have at best 10 seconds before the game begins, and will have missed all the pre-game tactic talks. Though I don't but that, since there isn't generally much pregame tactic talk in pugs.

[adamts01]

totgeboren, on 28 June 2016 - 02:54 AM, said:

Well, it's why I go right most of the time.

SSD stands for Solid State Drive. The idea is that people who load faster have more time to communicate with the others. The one with the slowest hard drive will only have at best 10 seconds before the game begins, and will have missed all the pre-game tactic talks. Though I don't but that, since there isn't generally much pregame tactic talk in pugs.

I knew ssd was solid state drive in computer talk, I had no idea it could affect this online game so much. Is that why it takes so long to save my mechs? It wasn't like that a couple years ago, I don't think anyway. Drank so much beer since then.

[Tarogato]

adamts01, on 28 June 2016 - 12:18 AM, said:

they'll alpha the stick while they're being shot by 2 fresh mechs.

Make the win more rewarding than shooting the stick and maybe I'll change my ways.

[Kotzi]

I dont think that a SSD has such an impact on the performance of the game. Its higher transferrates let you load data faster but anything after that happens in the RAM. Better loading times are the main benefit but no better ping. Single player games where a lot of stuff has to be loaded benefit much more than any mmog. AFAIK at least.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Prosperity Park, on 27 June 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

#startclockwiseFTW

Problem is that's unnatural feeling for right handed folks who given equal opportunity to go left or right will typically go right if the left hand path isn't obviously better.

[LordNothing]

the only time to continue a nascar is if you can pull it off without stringing out. string out too much and you are pretty much asking to loose. that means guys in front watch your radar, guys in back, full throttle.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 June 2016 - 03:57 AM.

[adamts01]

Tarogato, on 28 June 2016 - 03:08 AM, said:

Make the win more rewarding than shooting the stick and maybe I'll change my ways.

Wins are definitely more rewarding than kills as far as PSR is concerned. I don't care so much about the c-bills, or winning for that matter, I just like good fights.

Kotzi, on 28 June 2016 - 03:54 AM, said:

I dont think that a SSD has such an impact on the performance of the game. Its higher transferrates let you load data faster but anything after that happens in the RAM. Better loading times are the main benefit but no better ping. Single player games where a lot of stuff has to be loaded benefit much more than any mmog. AFAIK at least.

I need to try one. I was moving around a lot so I bought this ROG laptop for too much money. It has a 4bg GTX960, i7, 16gb ram but still runs like **** on most games. I've got MWO at medium, but it can't even handle Division on low. Fallout 4 is alright on lowish settings. But ****, for $1,400 or $1,600, whatever I paid for this stupid thing, it should handle modern stuff on low. I even cut a hole on the bottom of my shelf and mounted a big *** desk fan under it. **** laptops. Maybe a SSD can give me a little performance.

[Kotzi]

Been a long time since i was up to date on PC hardware but afaik does the GPU the CPU and the RAM determine how good a software works. When you start a game the harddisk only shoves the required data into the RAM, a SSD will do it very quickly but thats about it. The bigger the RAM the less it needs to reload. But the harddisk does not affect the performance. Your setup sounds as if it should MWO without problems. Drivers up to date? Any heatproblems?

[adamts01]

Kotzi, on 28 June 2016 - 04:21 AM, said:

Been a long time since i was up to date on PC hardware but afaik does the GPU the CPU and the RAM determine how good a software works. When you start a game the harddisk only shoves the required data into the RAM, a SSD will do it very quickly but thats about it. The bigger the RAM the less it needs to reload. But the harddisk does not affect the performance. Your setup sounds as if it should MWO without problems. Drivers up to date? Any heatproblems?

It's the heat. I'm in the Philippines and this house I'm renting doesn't have AC. I tried a couple cooling pads and eventually just mounted a desk fan underneath my rig. It just sucks. I can't imagine a ssd helping too much with MWO but possibly with Division, where **** is constantly loading. Idk. **** laptops.

[Tier 1 Smurf]

Surprised there isn't much mention of cutting the circle. Nascar, proper nascar as in an organised tactic is about cut or get cut.. and then bleed mechs from the mid of your line to the back. You always need to be the side shortening the circle or it's just running in a circle like derps.

Which admittedly is how most pugs play it.

[Kotzi]

Ye, thats why i prefer desktop pc. My cousin has a good laptop too. Everything worked fine but it started to get worse after a year or so. It was because of the dust inside. The heat kept building up and the performance went down. He solved it by cleaning and trying ot let the air circulate the best around his laptop everytime he plays since then. Problem is the small compact design but thats the price for mobility. Remembering the old days when i used a portable fan to cool my pc underneath the table.

BTT. Nascar only works when you consider your teams setup, as any tactic i guess. But many times its just brainless get their tail before they get ours, screw any assaults we have.