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[BabyCakes666]

iv been playing the D all day and....

why is the D the fastest centurion?

other mediums can go faster and have a higher engine cap?

the AL would shine with a 300xl or a 340xl

so why not give all centurion the CN9-D engine cap

the cent dose not have that meany hard points so with a bigger engine it just becomes a tanky light

i got my D to 130km but i got srm4 med las and M guns fire power is like 30

so i dont think letting up the engine cap would be bad for the mech

other med can go faster as i said

dont give me the more tons crap with other mediums

because the D can have a XL 390

give me a 390xl centurion AL

have like srm4 with 4sml

then it becomes a big light like the phoenix hawk

so why is the cap so low :/

[El Bandito]

PGI logic + game mechanic. Deal with it.

Hunchies are dealing with it.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 July 2016 - 06:59 AM.

[BabyCakes666]

El Bandito, on 02 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

PGI logic + game mechanic. Deal with it.

well can they un cap it

some one spam russ abut this

he not going to read my ****** english

[Alistair Winter]

As I understand it, it's because PGI has sworn an oath to follow a holy rule they made up long ago. Except when they break that rule to sell moar mech packs.

That being said, the CN9-D is one of the most ridiculous engine caps in the game. It's like giving a Locust 10 missile hardpoints.

[BabyCakes666]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

As I understand it, it's because PGI has sworn an oath to follow a holy rule they made up long ago. Except when they break that rule to sell moar mech packs.

That being said, the CN9-D is one of the most ridiculous engine caps in the game. It's like giving a Locust 10 missile hardpoints.

and it is and the rest of the cents need that to

it will give them an edge if they carnt out alpha mech

then make them speedy

the engine wait to fire power work out

go fast as a light have the fire power of a light

it works out for the chassis

so PGI UN CAP THE CENT??

[El Bandito]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

As I understand it, it's because PGI has sworn an oath to follow a holy rule they made up long ago. Except when they break that rule to sell moar mech packs.

That being said, the CN9-D is one of the most ridiculous engine caps in the game. It's like giving a Locust 10 missile hardpoints.

Look, it is based on canon. Regular Centies have base 200 rating engine while Centurion-D was the first to use latest tech and equipped 300XL. PGI gave certain % of extra engine cap correlating to base engine rating, hence the regular Cents received +75 rating while the D received +90 rating.

And yes, PGI did break their rules in the case of Urbanmech, against my wishes BTW, but there were too many players whose Urbie enjoyment depended on performance, rather than challenge.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 July 2016 - 07:08 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

El Bandito, on 02 July 2016 - 07:07 AM, said:

Look, it is based on canon. Regular Centies have base 200 rating engine while Centurion-D was the first to use latest tech and equipped 300XL. PGI gave certain % of extra engine cap correlating to base engine rating, hence the regular Cents received +75 rating while the D received +90 rating.

Yeah. Like I said. A holy rule that PGI invented for this game and never break except when they do, because reasons.

[El Bandito]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 07:08 AM, said:

Yeah. Like I said. A holy rule that PGI invented for this game and never break except when they do, because reasons.

Reason which I later stated. One Babycakes' wish pales in comparison to those of the horde who wanted non-canon Speedy Gonzales Urbie, and PGI knew that Urbie pack was gonna make them a lot of money. PGI is not gonna listen to the demands of a few, to change an old mech.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 July 2016 - 07:11 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

You want fast?

Vote for Scorpion!
With the stock engine rating of 330, according to PGI's rules, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO RUN XL400!

A 55 tonner with a XL400!

[Jackal Noble]

*does

[Wintersdark]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 07:08 AM, said:

Yeah. Like I said. A holy rule that PGI invented for this game and never break except when they do, because reasons.

The Urbanmech was a good breaking, though, and there are others that should be broken too. Simply because speed in MWO is utterly unlike speed in tabletop, and arguably more importantly the heat system in MWO makes tiny engines worthless.

Sure, one can argue they ought to have fixed the heat system and such, but... Well, that's a huge can of worms.

I *like* that only the CN9-D has the huge engine cap, as it helps to differentiate them. Of course, the 390 cap is absurd: packing an XL390 leaves the CN9-D with 8 tons free (assuming ES and FF as well!) ... with it's hardpoint configuration, that's even more horrible.

[Mcgral18]

El Bandito, on 02 July 2016 - 07:07 AM, said:

Look, it is based on canon. Regular Centies have base 200 rating engine while Centurion-D was the first to use latest tech and equipped 300XL. PGI gave certain % of extra engine cap correlating to base engine rating, hence the regular Cents received +75 rating while the D received +90 rating.

And yes, PGI did break their rules in the case of Urbanmech, against my wishes BTW, but there were too many players whose Urbie enjoyment depended on performance, rather than challenge.

They've also increased the cap from what it was originally, 260

It's small because it comes with a 200 engine stock. The D does not, it comes with a 300.
200*1.3=260
Was increased arbitrarily to 275

300*1.3=390

[Alistair Winter]

Wintersdark, on 02 July 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

The Urbanmech was a good breaking, though, and there are others that should be broken too. Simply because speed in MWO is utterly unlike speed in tabletop, and arguably more importantly the heat system in MWO makes tiny engines worthless.

Well, I wasn't going to bring it up, but...

The Golden Cow that broke the Commandment of Engine Caps.

[BabyCakes666]

dat cow

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

As I understand it, it's because PGI has sworn an oath to follow a holy rule they made up long ago. Except when they break that rule to sell moar mech packs.

That being said, the CN9-D is one of the most ridiculous engine caps in the game. It's like giving a Locust 10 missile hardpoints.

Honestly the D is pretty much at it's best engine stock, to begin with. Doesn't have enough missiles to be a great splat mech. Trade the LBX for an AC10, up armor it and swap a pair of SRM4 for the LRM10 and you pretty much reach it's fullest potential.
the Perfect Centurion
tough as nails flanker/skirmisher. General ballistics cooldown give the ac10 a crazy RoF.

The AL is the only one I think that could realistically make use of a larger cap, and well, we already have fast vanilla laser vomit mediums.

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well, I wasn't going to bring it up, but...

The Golden Cow that broke the Commandment of Engine Caps.

because to not break it would have been even more stupid.

And yeah, I'm glad I nagged Russ into breaking the rule there.

See also, the Panther, etc.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 July 2016 - 11:03 AM.

[627]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well, I wasn't going to bring it up, but...

The Golden Cow that broke the Commandment of Engine Caps.

And the cataphract 4X still sits in his corner, sobbing and moaning that he isn't a hero mech...

[Vashramire]

Yes please increase the engine cap on the CN9 so I can stomp the people that just want to go fast because "moar armored light lol". Because they wouldn't still be a massive silhouette with less weapons, no that would never happen. >.>

[Alistair Winter]

627, on 02 July 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

And the cataphract 4X still sits in his corner, sobbing and moaning that he isn't a hero mech...

Yep. Only an idiot would buy the CTF-4X for real money.

For 2095 MC.

Back in 2012.

As their first mech ever in MWO.



But who cares about that, right? PGI already got their money. Why go back and change that ridiculous engine cap now?

[Wintersdark]

Alistair Winter, on 02 July 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Well, I wasn't going to bring it up, but...

The Golden Cow that broke the Commandment of Engine Caps.

Theyve broken that rule so many times over the years - even before mechs came in packs - that it's really kind of unfair to blame them for "breaking the rule to sell more mech packs.".

The Marauder above, with the "rule based" engine cap would have been horrible. Just like the CTF 4X is. And sure, I imagine they where aware they'd sell practically zero if it where gimped, but the mech didn't end up OP at all - striving to release mechs as balanced as possible is a good thing, not bad.

And yeah, the 4X certainly needs something, but one broken mech doesn't mean others have to be as well.

I'd go so far as to say that the 1.3x stock thing is a rough guideline, not a rule. And that's a very good thing, because it would utterly ruin a lot of mechs/variants in MWO, unnecessarily. Instead, as a guideline it helps to differentiate mechs without arbitrarily rendering them DOA out of the gate.

[BabyCakes666]

engine cap change with size change

i demand fast cents

most clan lights have high alphas

a fast cent would be a good counter

that big engine nerfs its fire power so now it on par with the lights

but more armor to deal with icc jenners and there srm vomit