Johnny Z, on 07 July 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:
It's a proven fact that Russ himself outright insulted the community not once but twice over the last couple years.
First there was the whole "You're on an Island" affair, which persisted for quite a while, then, oh lordy, then in one of the more recent town halls he pretty much stated that "you all should be grateful the game even exists, we know what we're doing, you don't"... Despite repeated examples to the contrary where the community pointed out this or that feature will not work the way you think it will... PGI puts it in anyway, and oh, a couple weeks to a month later... Yeah, that thing we put in last time, turns out the community was right.
So... Your post... 0/10. Try again.
Moonlight Grimoire, on 07 July 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:
One, the steam numbers aren't even half the story. Second, the in game leader boards are actually pretty reasonable to see how alive the community is, yeah sure there are people doing only one match per class of mech but, at the same time you can sort it, look at everyone with more than say 20 games played, I bet it isn't so small as 5k players, the 19k that the leaderboard has is I feel pushing it, but, active players? I would wager is probably around 10k of active players, 15k or so during events for quick play, only PGI can tell us for certain but the quickplay leader boards tell us part of the picture.
Supposedly at one point MWO had an actual player counter in the main menu like World of Warships and a few other games have, then PGI pulled it out when either numbers started dipping too low or the community pointed out that numbers were dipping too low... I don't know, I wasn't there for that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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I... honestly have seen little hostility in game beyond the rare ragers who flip out when someone clicks back in and grazes them by accident and then goes nuts and wipes out the rest of the assault lance in their 4xUAC5 king crab. I have seen a few people do shaming for load outs or taking certain mechs, but, that was mostly in tier 5 which is... a mess. In tier 4 most people are cheery and assume people taking a mech with a certain loadout is because they are doing it for a reason. But, everything I have heard is T4 is a weird place compared to everywhere else in the PSR brackets.
I don't know what tier 5s you've been up against but the last time I played... Which was admittedly months ago at this point... There was a surprising amount of teamwork going on in most games I played, and most people were running almost fully meta mechs.
Granted I can't tell you if these were actual tier 5s or alt accounts that people tanked on purpose, but that's neither here nor there.
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In terms of toxicity MWO is far better than any other f2p game that is set around matches (instead of wandering about). WoT you can count on seeing insults flying before you have even finished loading into the game, same with LoL, or DotA, even World of Warships. MWO's playerbase isn't without it's toxicity of players who have personal axes to grind with devs, game mechanics, or in some situations certain weapon groups. Still though, people attacking others for their load out or being in a trial mech is absurd and should always be reported, we should not tolerate people attacking others for trying things out and learning.
Again, I don't know what games you've played in World of Warships, but I've been playing that primarily for months, about the same time I stopped playing here, and in game the only time insults start flying are when people do stupid shite.
Good example, from just a few days ago, the 4th or the 5th of this week actually, I was in the new USS Arizona, on the Trident map. Me and a Destroyer spawned on the South-Eastern part of the map, just to the south-west of Capture Point C, before the match even starts, I tell the DD that we should head West, get away from point C.
He steams RIGHT towards C, I'm telling him to get the hell out of there, and oh look, 3-5 ships of the ships from the opposing team steam right into and around C. He dies, starts bitching at the team, I say I f***ing told you so as I'm sailing away from C at 21.1 knots, which is a slugs pace in WoWs. So now I've got 4 people on the enemy team steaming for me like Sharks.
I'm literally screaming for help from my team, who are by now all along the middle of the 1/2 columns on the other side of the map, screaming at me for being an idiot when I've been heading that way the whole time. I switch to All chat and tell the enemy I'm pulling out of the battle, heading for the corner of the map because, even they could see my team mates were complete idiots.
In all seriousness, I was the only intelligent person in that game, and quite frankly it seems like that a lot, and that results in a lot of lost games when people don't follow logical, even tactical suggestions. But when they do work, holy crap my team literally walks all over the other team.
Now here's the kicker, MWO has VOIP, which is essential for coordination and quick updates or suggestions. WoWs does not have VOIP, and text is impossible to use in that game when you're in the middle of a hairball. Supposedly WG says that VOIP would stress the servers unnecessarily... I don't know about you but I call BS on that.
PGI have what, 3 servers that run the game, with VOIP, and you don't really notice an appreciable drop in performance. WG have at least 4 servers that they use, and if you watch their videos, they recently did one specifically about the servers they use, and these things are freaking top of the line stuff. So you're telling me these servers can't run the game with VOIP?
And then, have you taken a look at the WoWs forums? I kid you not it's like freaking Candyland there compared to here. I have not seen a single troll thread in any of the main/sub forums, I've seen plenty of complaints, but they are articulate, well thought out and logical, and *gasp*, generate actual discussion of the issue, even, *double gasp*, conversations with the devs and/or the community manager themselves!
When was the last time there was an articulate, well thought out, logically handled complaint on this forum and the sub forums? That actually got the attention of the devs? I'm guessing not for about 3 years or even more now.
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