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[Lily from animove]

the SPL is better, lets be honest that 0,5t difference comes with a good bunch of more damage and heat efficiency, which already offsets additional heatsinks.

in fact a proper and better choce would have been giving the Small laser 1.5heat or also 4 damage and let the differences be the beamduration and range.

as much as pulse lasers once were absolute losers by weight, it is now the SL being just the loser of the last laser balance

Edited by Lily from animove, 13 July 2016 - 12:48 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

On the IS end of things, I'd try and run SPLasers instead. The range difference is negligible in a really fast skirmisher and the pulse has a much shorter duration.

For Clan, I'd imagine you can run both pretty well. In my laser vomit EBJ I run 2 LPLasers and 6 ERSLasers to really good effect. WIth the ERSLaser range module and a TC MKIII, the ERSLaser range is about 240m and with 5 dmg per laser and a short duration, it reminds me a lot of a IS MLaser (albeit a bit shorter range).

Overall, for IS i'd stick with SPLaser, for Clan, I could see using both depending on the build.

[Stone Wall]

I use 6 SPL on Jenner F7. it's pretty deadly.

[Snowbluff]

For clan, I like both the ERSL and the SPL. The ERSL is generally better if you have more slots and hardpoints available, and is a good low heat low weight backup weapon. SPL is when you want better duration and less heat and don't need the range of the ERML.

So:
Vipers/Nova = ERSL
Arctic Cheetah = SPL

[Lily from animove]

Snowbluff, on 13 July 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

For clan, I like both the ERSL and the SPL. The ERSL is generally better if you have more slots and hardpoints available, and is a good low heat low weight backup weapon. SPL is when you want better duration and less heat and don't need the range of the ERML.

So:
Vipers/Nova = ERSL
Arctic Cheetah = SPL

in scouting you cna use even 12 SPL's on a NVA, there isn't that much damage to do on the field. And in regular play I prefer a 6 CEMRl 6 SERL NVA, to be useful in more situations than just knife battles. Also, not having yellow beams is sad

[Yosharian]

If you need range, the medium laser is there. If you need low duration, the small pulse laser is there. The small laser operates in a very narrow efficiency range, comparatively. It's range is pathetic compared to the ML, and the only other saving it brings (tonnage) clashes with the setup most scrappy lights use, which is to just barely scrape enough crit slots to take ferro + endo. This means the tonnage saved by bringing SLs often can't be used in any meaningful way without removing ferro which ends up being slightly counter-productive.

(Inner Sphere I'm talking about obviously)

Edited by Yosharian, 13 July 2016 - 11:25 AM.

[Yellonet]

9xSPL Hunchback works pretty well

[Felio]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 12 July 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

cSPLs have always been superior on the Cheetah, Nova has been a tossup between people, but cSPLs are just hard to pass up.

I have been using 6 ERSL on the Cheetah, which is fantastic for backstabbing fatties. It's so terrible at dueling lights, though, that I am going to try 4 SPL, dropping the two torso lasers for more heat sinks.

Or do I really want six SPL? Or 4 ERML?

[Brain Cancer]

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The IS Small Laser is great as a placeholder to move your real weapons into higher mounts.

This is one of those things that suck about wanting the high mounts on my ebin jag. You have to pay a tonnage tax to put a gun where you like, instead of just sticking it in the hardpoint yay done.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Felio, on 13 July 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

I have been using 6 ERSL on the Cheetah, which is fantastic for backstabbing fatties. It's so terrible at dueling lights, though, that I am going to try 4 SPL, dropping the two torso lasers for more heat sinks.

Or do I really want six SPL? Or 4 ERML?

Six SPL is the best way, 5 is heat efficient sure, but that extra DHS doesn't offset the ability to do more damage in per exposure.

You could run 5 ERML or 2 ERML/4 ERSL like I have seen some, but the Jenner is much better at it imo, even post rescale.

[scolack123]

I like both.

I like small lasers for their .5 tons. so if i have a bunch of hardpoints left id rather run 4 small than 2 sml pulse

However, if i have the tonnage to fit small pulse, and med laser would run too hot, i run smlpulse

now these examples are all med/heavy mechs running 70-80 kph

Rifle legend kill - 2x lrg lsr, 1x lbx 10, 3x mg, 2 smlpulse
Rifleman C - 3x ac2, 4x smlpulse
Blackjack 3x - 1 ERppc , 4x smlpulse
Rifle 3ns - 2x ac10, 4x small lasr
Jager firebrand - 2x er large, 1x gauss, 4 small lasr
Rifle (with 8 energy hardpoints) - 2x ppc, 6x small lasr

i love small lasr and small pulse as backup weapons to other main weapoms because of their low tonnage and low heat

medium lasers are great, but for me are a bad pick when backing up large lasr or ppc. Those already run hot and work well in med lasr range. The small and smlpulse are great for when you get to 200 or less meters and can use them but not worry about overheating


4 med laser will overheat u in no time compared to 4 smlpulse (which have better dps as well per ton)

granted a couple examples of med lasr builds for me would be

rifle 3ns - 2x ac5, 6 med lasr
marauder bounty - 1x ac10, 6x med lasr
jager S - 3x ac5, 3x med lasr
cataphract - 1x ac20, 5x med lasr

notice i run med lasr to back up ACs that dont run too hot
but run small and smlpulse when backing up lrg lasr and ppc

choosing small vs sml pulse....or smlpulse vs med lasr all depend on tonnage left compared to hardpoints left....and heat and range covered

Edited by scolack123, 19 December 2016 - 09:57 PM.