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[MasterGoa]

Hey PGI, both AMD and nVidia and getting fresh hardware for us to enjoy, but how can
I chose based on playing almost only MWO?

Does PGI have recommendations?

What other games more closely uses the engine MWO uses to get hints from benchies?

Is there a benchmark tool for MWO?

Thanks for any suggestions.

I play excellent 1080P with a 7870OC which is further OCed to 1200-1300MHz.

However I would like to switch to 1440P...

I have a 8350 on a Sabertooth mobo and 1866 ECC memory.

My physics score in Firestrike is 8190. Graph score is 6730.

[Snowbluff]

Processors are important for this game, actually.

I will say that AMD's 480 came out glitchy. So you're just gonna have to go with whatever Nvidia card that fits your budget. 1060s are going to be more expensive than the 960s were, though. D:

[Cy Mitchell]

Phil of NGNG (Sean Lang) may be installing his new GTX1080 this afternoon if it is delviered. Tune in to his stream on Twitch tomorrow morning and ask him to evaluate the new card's performance for you.

[Kuritaclan]

Snowbluff, on 11 July 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

Processors are important for this game, actually.

I will say that AMD's 480 came out glitchy. So you're just gonna have to go with whatever Nvidia card that fits your budget. 1060s are going to be more expensive than the 960s were, though. D:

RX480 customized cards will be totally fine and near range of the 1060s performance. Hence in the DX11 department the 1060 may have a small edge over. Beside that if overclocked every card becomes individual and there is no general rule of thumb.

MasterGoa, on 11 July 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

Hey PGI, both AMD and nVidia and getting fresh hardware for us to enjoy, but how can
I chose based on playing almost only MWO?

As for the TE i would bet that for a 1440p setup something along the line in between a 1060 to a 1070 would be the way to go performance wise to have >60FPS constantly. So maybe a second hand 980 is also a thing. For AMD Cards I think we may need to see the release of the 490. And thats said under consideration of fully raised bars in the graphic detail setup. I run 1440p DSR on my GTX770 2GB with not all sliders up. So essentialy a 960 with 4GB would be enough for a 1440p and therefore a RX480 and or GTX 1060 is totally fine. However they are combined with a i7 4770k oced. Since the game likes at least one core to have very good IPC and the TE "only" has a 8350 i would guess that in combination a RX480 and 1060 would be set back to at leas 960 level of performance. However in 1440p GPU becomes more important than it is in 1080p in relationship to the CPU.

Long story short. W8 till 19th July, when NDA of 1060s drop. Then w8 a little bit longer till both cards (RX480 and GTX 1060) have customized cards available and benchmarks are done for both. Get a Zero Fan Mode Card with a decent PCB Layout of either card and have fun. If necessary upgrade your CPU/Mainboard with Kabylake, when it is up, since roumors tell they will become a good CPU deal performance wise after a long time of small increments in performance gain on CPUs.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 11 July 2016 - 11:37 AM.

[process]

Depends on how the GTX 1070 prices settle, but I have my heart set on an inevitable MSI GTX 1060 which will hopefully be <$250.

[Chuck Jager]

Bought a gtx960 a bit more than a year ago and I never drop below 90fps. I had everything set on high and it was still always way above 70fps. The lower setting just make it easier to see and hit stuff. I mean a ton easier and the chance for LAG goes way down because the machine has to do a ton less work sorting stuff out.

NOTE IF it is a new model refining the existing tech, this is usually a good thing. I have been burned multiple time getting new features that just do not work well with my existing machine or are not integrated into games properly. Be careful thinking newer is always going to be better for your gaming. Also I have had an easier time since I dropped AMD and now use intel cpu w Nvidia graphics for gaming.

[ScarecrowES]

I still can't get MWO to run a driver set from THIS YEAR without freaking out. No point in a fancy new card if your game crashes its drivers every match because the developer can't keep up with the tech.

[MasterGoa]

ScarecrowES, on 11 July 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

I still can't get MWO to run a driver set from THIS YEAR without freaking out. No point in a fancy new card if your game crashes its drivers every match because the developer can't keep up with the tech.

I have not crashed a single time this year.

In the past 4 years, I probably crash less than 8 times and now I just log back on and continue the fight.

I will say this for crashing: clear your shader directory!

[Imperius]

Game needs optimization (pretty much just needs a engine update) because optimization of this current engine just means graphic fidelity losses.

[Airwind]

think the engine can't fully utilise the new generation of cards. other than improved /more fps.

[DAYLEET]

Rampage, on 11 July 2016 - 10:44 AM, said:

Phil of NGNG (Sean Lang) may be installing his new GTX1080 this afternoon if it is delviered. Tune in to his stream on Twitch tomorrow morning and ask him to evaluate the new card's performance for you.

I can give you a preview already. More FPS and you can't tell the difference because any decent card already get above 60fps.

[Impyrium]

I have an ASUS Strix 1080, which was a damn nightmare to get my hands on, and I can say it makes a pretty considerable difference. Previously I had a 970, and was using a 1080p display. If you're only into 1080p, then you really still don't need any more than the 970 IMO.

But if you're into 1440p, 970 probably won't cut it at high settings. I found I was struggling to keep a decent frame rate with my 970 after I upgraded to a 60hz 1440p display. But, after going for the GTX1080, I'm getting 90+ on average, dropping near 60 in Faction Play, and can get 120+ easily on less demanding maps (HPG).

I can still imagine that the GTX1070 would be just as decent for 1440p MWO because of it.

It's important to note there that somewhere in-between I went from a 2500k CPU to a 6700k, which also made a huge difference. I think your CPU will really determine how consistent your frame rate is, especially when projectiles start flying which seems to cause a lot of CPU stress.

[El Bandito]

I had AMD but it broke down after a year of use, largely thanks to MWO, I suspect. Now I got Nvidia Asus 760GTX, and it is doing fine after 2 years. I would definitely recommend Nvidia. Not to mention Shadowplay makes recording matches a breeze.

Gonna get another 760 during Black Friday sale and link them for twice da powa.

[MasterGoa]

How does MWO react to SLI or CrossFire?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

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[ScarecrowES]

MasterGoa, on 11 July 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have not crashed a single time this year.

In the past 4 years, I probably crash less than 8 times and now I just log back on and continue the fight.

I will say this for crashing: clear your shader directory!

I only crash when my wife clicks "ok" when my computer asks if she wants to update my drivers while I'm not home.

Anything newer than October of last year crashes out MWO eventually with a graphics exception.

I had to uninstall Crimson entirely and revert to an old copy of CCC. MWO seems to refuse to work with Crimson.

PGI pays NVidia to help them optimize the game, and I'm convinced they slip code in to keep AMD hardware from working correctly in MWO.

[xengk]

ScarecrowES, on 12 July 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

I only crash when my wife clicks "ok" when my computer asks if she wants to update my drivers while I'm not home.

Anything newer than October of last year crashes out MWO eventually with a graphics exception.

I had to uninstall Crimson entirely and revert to an old copy of CCC. MWO seems to refuse to work with Crimson.

PGI pays NVidia to help them optimize the game, and I'm convinced they slip code in to keep AMD hardware from working correctly in MWO.

Is it the Radeon Host Crash error?
I have been getting that every time I boot up Windows since upgrading to 16.5.1 crimson driver.

After some investigation, it turns out to be faulty windows compatibility.
Installing the windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe patch for Windows fixed my problem.
I am using Windows 7 64bit Ultimate.

Edited by xengk, 13 July 2016 - 08:01 AM.

[ScarecrowES]

xengk, on 13 July 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Is it the Radeon Host Crash error?
I have been getting that every time I boot up Windows since upgrading to 16.5.1 crimson driver.

After some investigation, it turns out to be faulty windows compatibility.
Installing the windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe patch for Windows fixed my problem.
I am using Windows 7 64bit Ultimate.

No, it's not windows related. Crimson works perfectly for me in every game BUT MWO. The more recent AMD drivers work fine through the UI, but in matches it occasionally glitches out and the card resets. You get a black screen but can still hear the game in the background, and then eventually you crash out of the game completely.

If I remember correctly, people think it has to do with a glitch in how MWO handles water effects? Something NVidia does differently than AMD.

Anyway, I've had to revert to CCC and one of last year's patch if I wanna play MWO. Sucks, because other games run perfectly on the new patches.

[process]

ScarecrowES, on 12 July 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

I only crash when my wife clicks "ok" when my computer asks if she wants to update my drivers while I'm not home.

Anything newer than October of last year crashes out MWO eventually with a graphics exception.

I had to uninstall Crimson entirely and revert to an old copy of CCC. MWO seems to refuse to work with Crimson.

PGI pays NVidia to help them optimize the game, and I'm convinced they slip code in to keep AMD hardware from working correctly in MWO.

I've never had a successful AMD update. Constantly freezing and bluescreening. The only way I can update my drivers is by going through "device manager --> display adapters --> driver --> update driver".

I'm pretty excited to switch back to nvidia.

[Snowbluff]

MasterGoa, on 12 July 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

How does MWO react to SLI or CrossFire?

I'm going to say it's not a good idea. Let's say it does work. Even then, buying a new 16nm Nvidia or 14nm AMD card will offer more performance per dollar than trying to attach two high end last gen cards together. A 1080 has the performance of SLI 980s.

Edited by Snowbluff, 13 July 2016 - 08:24 AM.