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[bLeeat]

pug... its that place where we all started from...that place where we learned basic game play,people and builds. but today.. pugs are either quiet as hell or have meta noobs babbling about things that dont concern the game at hand.

with faction play falling flat on its face and forcing "top tier" players to play pug. what did the pug scene get? other than more meta noobs crying. and when you get these "top players" in game. they dont say anything at all in terms of strategy or tactics. they just stay quiet trying to do the most damage in their cheese builds.

lets be honest about these top tier players and clans... none of em are real FPS players... a lot of em are happy if the game stays a one button shoot em up.

how about we actually take PUG serious? and talk strat and tactic in game? im sure these teachings would transcend pug and flow over to other game modes.

[Belacose]

The silent noobs you're trying to get through to probably don't read the forums either.

[Belacose]

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

great comment bro u sure added a lot.

You're preaching to the choir none the less.

[William Mountbank]

Meta noobs are... Para leets? Ortho Try-hards?

[adamts01]

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 12:40 AM, said:

how about we actually take PUG serious? and talk strat and tactic in game? im sure these teachings would transcend pug and flow over to other game modes.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to have given this a real try and given up. There's no changing the pug que, it's the mess that it is. This applies to group que as well, with all the derpy 2-mans in their own world. It's just not worth trying. Go yolo until you happen across a good team that's willing to go yolo with you.

[bLeeat]

adamts01, on 13 July 2016 - 01:49 AM, said:

I'm sure I'm not the only one to have given this a real try and given up. There's no changing the pug que, it's the mess that it is. This applies to group que as well, with all the derpy 2-mans in their own world. It's just not worth trying. Go yolo until you happen across a good team that's willing to go yolo with you.

can we get real players who actually play the game more than once a week to comment?

none of these cheese players ... pfffft...

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:

can we get real players who actually play the game more than once a week to comment?

none of these cheese players ... pfffft...

no forum warriors please ...

[PyckenZot]

PanzerMagier, Flitzomat, myself and many others use VOIP to direct PUGs. All in our very own way. Panzer by role playing and leading by pure charisma, me by calling basic, movement stratagem, target info and asking for intell (ie. trying to motivate teamplay)

I can only repeat what I've said so often,...

IT WORKS.

If you use communication in a friendly and constructive manner. Your average PUG drop (and FP for that matter) will increase in fun level. Just don't start treating the PUGs badly (there are even players that use VOIP to herd PUGs as cannon fodder for their own stat improvements,... and still behave badly if they lose afterwards >.< ), call them names and swear because you lose,... **** happens,...

In essence, the better game experience begins with you.

Here an example (where my team got their hindsides kicked by PM)

Edited by PyckenZot, 13 July 2016 - 02:16 AM.

[meteorol]

That was the name i was searching for.

assumption confirmed lol.

[Random Carnage]

I don't particularly agree with much of what Adamts has to say in the forums, generally, and yep, Narc can get a bit pissy in game chat, but the OP's attitude toward them both needs to be called out. I was in game the other night when you ****** off at Narc in voice chat, and that certainly wasn't constructive, and your reply to Adamts above isn't going to win you much support here.
If you expect people to be constructive, try practicing what you preach.

*Edited to keep the heat down a bit*

Edited by Random Carnage, 13 July 2016 - 03:04 AM.

[Belacose]

PyckenZot, on 13 July 2016 - 02:11 AM, said:

PanzerMagier

That guy's great!

Unfortunately I don't have the sort of charisma to pull that off. Most who try seem to fall upon deaf emo ears. Ever so often I'm fortunate enough to be on a pug team with somebody who's good at getting everyone to work together. A couple of times it was a girl orchestrating the team via the VOIP. Girls have a certain charisma all their own when it comes to a bunch of hard-up guys playing a PC game in their mom's basement..

[Belacose]

Random Carnage, on 13 July 2016 - 03:00 AM, said:

and your reply to Adamts above isn't going to win you much support here.

You should have seen the PM the OP sent me after my above posts. Lets just say it makes his reply to Adamts01 seem rather tame in comparison.

[El Bandito]

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 12:40 AM, said:

pug... its that place where we all started from...that place where we learned basic game play,people and builds. but today.. pugs are either quiet as hell or have meta noobs babbling about things that dont concern the game at hand.

with faction play falling flat on its face and forcing "top tier" players to play pug. what did the pug scene get? other than more meta noobs crying. and when you get these "top players" in game. they dont say anything at all in terms of strategy or tactics. they just stay quiet trying to do the most damage in their cheese builds.

lets be honest about these top tier players and clans... none of em are real FPS players... a lot of em are happy if the game stays a one button shoot em up.

how about we actually take PUG serious? and talk strat and tactic in game? im sure these teachings would transcend pug and flow over to other game modes.

How about starting from yourself? All I have seen from my matches against you are your complaints about teammates and your showing of mediocre scores. Lack of ability aside, less toxic behavior is a good start.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 July 2016 - 04:04 AM.

[Dashia]

Being T4 all my drops are pretty bad ppl run everywhere no coordination at all. Myself i try to play my role and help the Fatties. Not having a mic means i cant really order to much so i follow whoever starts barking commands. But still I make bad choices too.

I have noticed that if someone does have a mic most of the time us speechless pugs in T4 will develop a sheep mentality and follow orders. Even if they are bad it still amazes me how easily ppl will follow one man simply because we can hear his voice.

Ig what im saying is pugs pick up on how to do standard things. However i agree with OP talking tacts and strat in game does help new players vastly. One guy with a mic can help and teach them noobs alot. I think simply because its much simpler to follow than trying to type out what you want ppl to do.

[SmoothCriminal]

wait, isn't this the guy who is so so so much better than mgral? I cant remember who keeps saying that...

[meteorol]

SmoothCriminal, on 13 July 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

wait, isn't this the guy who is so so so much better than mgral? I cant remember who keeps saying that...

yes. Would be a shame if we had a tool to directly compare their stats to get a little drama going. oh wait we have

[Malagant]

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 12:40 AM, said:

pug... its that place where we all started from...that place where we learned basic game play,people and builds. but today.. pugs are either quiet as hell or have meta noobs babbling about things that dont concern the game at hand.

with faction play falling flat on its face and forcing "top tier" players to play pug. what did the pug scene get? other than more meta noobs crying. and when you get these "top players" in game. they dont say anything at all in terms of strategy or tactics. they just stay quiet trying to do the most damage in their cheese builds.

lets be honest about these top tier players and clans... none of em are real FPS players... a lot of em are happy if the game stays a one button shoot em up.

how about we actually take PUG serious? and talk strat and tactic in game? im sure these teachings would transcend pug and flow over to other game modes.

One can only yell and scream and try to motivate a brick wall so many times before you realize how futile it is...

[Mudhutwarrior]

Being here since the start I can easily say the team mantra killed pug life. It removed any real variety in matches and beat down the people who didn't want faction play to be forced to join teams and factions to have a chance.

The faction/team guys fought long and hard to not split the ques because they profited from trashing new players with their Synch dropping and general meta trash destruction.

I always hoped both camps could coexist with the team guys going their way and pugs going theirs but there was to be none of that. The team players felt that solo was there's to farm whenever they wanted and made sure we knew it with their steering wheel underhive type of insults every chance they got.

We forgot this is a game and the object is to have fun and instead forced everyone into the competition mode. That pretty much ruined it for a lot of people who don't want to chase power creep and meta.

I remember when it was really fun to play and there was actually a lot more fighting and you could have a blast in a match without having to win. Of course the fight is much more important to me than winning at all costs. Its a game after all.

[PyckenZot]

Malagant, on 13 July 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

One can only yell and scream and try to motivate a brick wall so many times before you realize how futile it is...

Repetitio ad nauseam :-D

PyckenZot, on 13 July 2016 - 02:11 AM, said:

PanzerMagier, Flitzomat, myself and many others use VOIP to direct PUGs. All in our very own way. Panzer by role playing and leading by pure charisma, me by calling basic, movement stratagem, target info and asking for intell (ie. trying to motivate teamplay)

I can only repeat what I've said so often,...

IT WORKS.

If you use communication in a friendly and constructive manner. Your average PUG drop (and FP for that matter) will increase in fun level. Just don't start treating the PUGs badly (there are even players that use VOIP to herd PUGs as cannon fodder for their own stat improvements,... and still behave badly if they lose afterwards >.< ), call them names and swear because you lose,... **** happens,...

In essence, the better game experience begins with you.

Here an example (where my team got their hindsides kicked by PM)

[adamts01]

bLeeat, on 13 July 2016 - 01:54 AM, said:

can we get real players who actually play the game more than once a week to comment?

none of these cheese players ... pfffft...

Dude, I've been on a MWO binge. Someone else pointed out that I have well over 400 drops in my lights since re-scale. I don't know how to look that crap up but I bet I've got you beat in # of drops. Which doesn't really matter anyway, it's not like the game has changed much in the last few years. Try again.

[PurplePuke]

Malagant, on 13 July 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

One can only yell and scream and try to motivate a brick wall so many times before you realize how futile it is...

Hint: Stop yelling and screaming.