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[veedubfreak]

Seriously, long toms are either broken or one of the worst game mechanics I have ever seen.

[nehebkau]

They are a horrible idea.

One would think that the crux of intelligence warfare would be to have a battle-field wide UAV for the duration of the match, not a game mode that robs everyone of kills, cbills, exp.

Edited by nehebkau, 04 July 2016 - 09:37 AM.

[Baulven]

Faction Forums are a thing. Thanks for creating the upteenth post without bothering to look in forums or archives.

[cazidin]

Yes. Yes they are.

[nehebkau]

Baulven, on 04 July 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

Faction Forums are a thing. Thanks for creating the upteenth post without bothering to look in forums or archives.

The only time things get fixed is if people scream everywhere and anywhere about it.... Annoying -- yes.

[Wolfclaw]

You people really need to learn to use them against the enemy thats controlling them...

It's not hard at all.... Grab a Light Lance and have them stay close together, the Long tom launches where the most enemies are grouped. So if everyone else is spread out and the light lance isnt, wheres it going? TO THE LIGHT LANCE

CAN YOU SAY "ALOHA SNACK BAR"? RUN YOUR LIGHT LANCE FULL SPEED INTO THE FRONT LINES OF THE ENEMY AND BOOOOOOOOMMMM YOU JUST KILLED 8 MECHS! WOOOOT

Nothing better than satisfaction of Long tom being used against the team using it xD

[feeWAIVER]

Not instant.. they are intended to make you hate the game, faction play, and your life, for about 15 mintutes before it's over.

[Bjoern Jorgensson]

Long tom is a very bad idea - look at the actual event - european time zone - only clan activity on two planets - and there they have long tom - no chance for a drop - nice!
so thank you pgi for ruining cw just a bit more

i suggest all players just group up and get killed as soon as long tom pops up in a match until pgi fixes the gun

Edited by Bjoern Jorgensson, 04 July 2016 - 10:08 AM.

[Baulven]

Again for the fiftieth or so time. This has been an issue since May when they Bullocked up the damage and distance values that today's long Tom still uses. It was fine previously and did minor damage to a bunch of mechs giving a slight advantage from scouting.

[Pat Kell]

Wolfclaw, on 04 July 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

You people really need to learn to use them against the enemy thats controlling them...

It's not hard at all.... Grab a Light Lance and have them stay close together, the Long tom launches where the most enemies are grouped. So if everyone else is spread out and the light lance isnt, wheres it going? TO THE LIGHT LANCE

CAN YOU SAY "ALOHA SNACK BAR"? RUN YOUR LIGHT LANCE FULL SPEED INTO THE FRONT LINES OF THE ENEMY AND BOOOOOOOOMMMM YOU JUST KILLED 8 MECHS! WOOOOT

Nothing better than satisfaction of Long tom being used against the team using it xD

You ever won a match while facing long tom? If so please post some sort of proof. I am sure it has happened but there is no way it has happened often. I have played matches where people tried that tactic against us and yea, it got some of us but it got some of them too and it was always an easy victory. Don't know how long you have been a loyalist CJF but I have been in CJF since long tom came around and I don't know of a single time where the enemy actually had long tom against us. Again, I am sure it has happened and I am sure a handful of people have won against long tom but I want proof that you actually did. Otherwise, quit acting like it's so darn easy to do what your talking about.

Thing is broken and the only reason you are arguing for it is because you want your easy "I win" button.

Edited by Pat Kell, 04 July 2016 - 10:15 AM.

[Wolfclaw]

Pat Kell, on 04 July 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

You ever won a match while facing long tom? If so please post some sort of proof. I am sure it has happened but there is no way it has happened often. I have played matches where people tried that tactic against us and yea, it got some of us but it got some of them too and it was always an easy victory. Don't know how long you have been a loyalist CJF but I have been in CJF since long tom came around and I don't know of a single time where the enemy actually had long tom against us. Again, I am sure it has happened and I am sure a handful of people have won against long tom but I want proof that you actually did. Otherwise, quit acting like it's so darn easy to do what your talking about.

Jesus I really wish I would have streamed last night....

Had 4 wins and 5 losses to longtom last night alone

We had a premade of 7 people, we took 3 lights and the rest were heavier...


We had the light guys stay away from the group but literally stand within 15m of eachother. EVERY time, the purple smoke popped up right where they were so after a bit of playing around, we got to the point where they would time the strike, run full speed while maintaining the 15m distance into the advance of enemies. The smoke would pop right in the middle of them, while the lights would keep running straight. Sometimes theyd get caught, but in most every case, they would kill atleast 6 enemies. The most they got with 1 was 9 enemies...

You just gotta play with it man... adapt to change and find the way it works for you.

Yeah the long tom is OP as ****, but at the same time, I dont think its OP because it can be used against the ones who have it


Edit: You cant expect proof for everything....It's just not logical for someone to record every game they play....I wish it was..

Edited by Wolfclaw, 04 July 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[Pat Kell]

And it's not logical for me to take anyone's word that they won a match when facing such a game breaking mechanic. I am sure it has been done and I wouldn't be shocked if you managed to face a group of pugs with your 7 man and used long tom to be able to defeat them. I still want proof. And even then, it's a game breaking mechanic.

[Wintersdark]

Wolfclaw, on 04 July 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

Edit: You cant expect proof for everything....It's just not logical for someone to record every game they play....I wish it was..

Well, actually, everyone with an AMD or nVidia graphics card that's even remotely modern (last... 4 years?) Can run and evolved/Gforce experience and record every match with no real fps hit. Then you can just hit a hotkey to save the last 30 (customizable) minutes of gameplay whenever you want.

So... It's trivial for virtually everyone to retroactively save any match they wish.

[Solanthus]

Wolfclaw, on 04 July 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

You people really need to learn to use them against the enemy thats controlling them...

It's not hard at all.... Grab a Light Lance and have them stay close together, the Long tom launches where the most enemies are grouped. So if everyone else is spread out and the light lance isnt, wheres it going? TO THE LIGHT LANCE

CAN YOU SAY "ALOHA SNACK BAR"? RUN YOUR LIGHT LANCE FULL SPEED INTO THE FRONT LINES OF THE ENEMY AND BOOOOOOOOMMMM YOU JUST KILLED 8 MECHS! WOOOOT

Nothing better than satisfaction of Long tom being used against the team using it xD

Is this really gameplay that anyone wants to be forced into, though?

This isn't football.

Are we going to see a new meta emerge with Lights that pack on armor and no guns to play to this gameplay style?

[Tanil Kane]

Solanthus, on 04 July 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Is this really gameplay that anyone wants to be forced into, though?

This isn't football.

Are we going to see a new meta emerge with Lights that pack on armor and no guns to play to this gameplay style?

That's really the crux of the issue. There are strategies you can use against the long tom, but it takes any enjoyment out of the match for either side. People want to shoot other mechs with their
Mechs and see who comes out the victor.

People don't want to exploit bad game design to have an AI kill mechs for them.

[nehebkau]

Wolfclaw, on 04 July 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

CAN YOU SAY "ALOHA SNACK BAR"? RUN YOUR LIGHT LANCE FULL SPEED INTO THE FRONT LINES OF THE ENEMY AND BOOOOOOOOMMMM YOU JUST KILLED 8 MECHS! WOOOOT

Long-tom is just a horribly bad game mechanic for a *reward* for scouting -- you can't defend that simple truth.

[maniacos]

Tanil Kane, on 04 July 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

That's really the crux of the issue. There are strategies you can use against the long tom, but it takes any enjoyment out of the match for either side. People want to shoot other mechs with their
Mechs and see who comes out the victor.

People don't want to exploit bad game design to have an AI kill mechs for them.

this

[wanderer]

A mechanic that causes a stupid kill-em-all AoE to be generated that relies on it's primary counter being taking advantage of it's even dumber targeting system which spots you unerringly yet can't figure out it's firing into a friendly group is just busted on all fronts.

[MischiefSC]

Pat Kell, on 04 July 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

And it's not logical for me to take anyone's word that they won a match when facing such a game breaking mechanic. I am sure it has been done and I wouldn't be shocked if you managed to face a group of pugs with your 7 man and used long tom to be able to defeat them. I still want proof. And even then, it's a game breaking mechanic.

Oh Pat. You scrub. The guy is 733t superuber FW champion. Your little KCom n00b group needs to *get on his level*. If you were any good at FW you would understand how good and balanced LT is. The problem is everyone else.

It's certainly not that he's advantaged by a totally broken game mechanic and wants to keep it. Totally not that. He's a FW Rockstar. If he doesn't actually look at the leaderboard, know who the top performing players and teams are that doesn't mean he's oblivious- just focused. On using LT to win. Cuz it's a totally good and fun and fair and balanced thing. When yer a winner. Like him.

[Pat Kell]

MischiefSC, on 05 July 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Oh Pat. You scrub. The guy is 733t superuber FW champion. Your little KCom n00b group needs to *get on his level*. If you were any good at FW you would understand how good and balanced LT is. The problem is everyone else.

It's certainly not that he's advantaged by a totally broken game mechanic and wants to keep it. Totally not that. He's a FW Rockstar. If he doesn't actually look at the leaderboard, know who the top performing players and teams are that doesn't mean he's oblivious- just focused. On using LT to win. Cuz it's a totally good and fun and fair and balanced thing. When yer a winner. Like him.

Wow, I can feel the sarcasm in my bones with that rant lol.