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[The Robot Jox]

Salutations Mechwarriors, help me understand why pgi keeps taxing the graphical (GPU) and computational (CPU) parts of the game for reasons that are very difficult for me to agree on.

Dear PGI

frames per second are the most important part of a shooter/simulation game, it represents what you are doing in the field, the enjoyment i get from other games that are properly optimized through the API is very rewarding and makes people engage the game being satisfied that they did not die because of intentional graphical or CPU LAG.

Now the issue here is that you (developers) are conscious that this is not the most optimized game in anyway yet you take decisions to enhance maps, mechs and add more effects to the point of what? Hindering more fps stabilization? For what sake?

to get more players?!
to get current players focused more on the game?

How does one think like this? The game is getting more unplayable by every enhancement patch you launch.

I don't run this kind of company to understand why to exhaust development resources on a sticker on my mech (decals) weights more than the performance and enjoyment for the player base.

Or adding a weather system that destroys the frame per second, just to add immersion?
I don't get Immersion at 20 frames per second in a team fight, all i get is frustration on why my game stutter and got critical hit because my computer lagged and could not SEE well to be able to dodge attacks and be able to spread the damage.

You see this is making me play bad when i know i could do better. But is not my fault that some rain, or map change to get some visual candy rush, that in the end your player base does not care one bit about.

We need frame per second performance and low latency servers, later we can buy all the decal you want us to buy, and get all the mechs to keep supporting you.

Please Reconsider your developing priorities as of right now i cannot play the game, so buying your merchandise is a waste of my hard earn cash from my job.

________________________My Computer Specs & Settings_____________________

Pc: I7 6700, 16gb ram ddr4 2100mhz, gtx780ti, ssd 840evo, psu corsair gs800, soundcard asus ST essence @ 16b-44khz windows 10 original th1.

Benchmark tests: CPU using prime 95 v2.66 full load 67c on a 22c ambient temp room
GPU Furmark 76c full load on a 22c ambient temp room

Software: Drivers allways up to date, mother bios up to date, steam, some steam games, mwo, and skype.

Mouse and keyboard: Logitech g710+ Keyboard, Mouse Gigabyte XM300 @ 500HZ polling rate with a 1k dpi.

Windows power plan: High Perfomance.

Game settings: All on low except:
TEXTURE
OBJECT DETAIL
ENVIRONMENT DETAIL
That are in High, for sake of render draw distances
AA is off
cockpit glass is off
and monitors is off
FULLSCREEN (not windowed or full windowed)
vsync off
__________________________________________________________________________________

TL'TR: Game need proper optimization so player base can enjoy the game properly so they can invest their money on it, developers need to check their priorities on how to spend their budget on development.

Have a good day.

Edited by The Robot Jox, 20 July 2016 - 01:37 PM.

[Variant1]

Yeah PGI needs to focus on optimizing the game more. Crytech isint exactly been known to be frame freindly *cough* crisis *cough*. Before they overhaul any map graphicaly they need to optimize it. Infact optimization in general is needed

[The Robot Jox]

Variant1, on 20 July 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

Yeah PGI needs to focus on optimizing the game more. Crytech isint exactly been known to be frame freindly *cough* crisis *cough*. Before they overhaul any map graphicaly they need to optimize it. Infact optimization in general is needed

yes, thanks for agreeing with me, but what boggles my mind is their reasoning. If they want to sell, why frustrate the player base with gameplay deal breakers like performance taxing upgrades.

Why would i buy something for a game i keep enjoying less? This is what is strange to me and i think that there is some smart people in this company that would think the same.

[Mudhutwarrior]

The septic tank is plugged so PGI's solution is to dump a truckload of manure on top of it.

Does that sum it up?

[Tarogato]

It's not necessarily because of weather effects and other added stuff. I and a number of other players have been experiencing crazy framedrops/lagspikes ever since the patch - even in training grounds on maps that haven't been touched such as Canyon Network. PGI actually did something this patch that is causing a legitimate issue and I suspect it's backend, not map prettification.

[The Robot Jox]

Tarogato, on 20 July 2016 - 07:08 AM, said:

It's not necessarily because of weather effects and other added stuff. I and a number of other players have been experiencing crazy framedrops/lagspikes ever since the patch - even in training grounds on maps that haven't been touched such as Canyon Network. PGI actually did something this patch that is causing a legitimate issue and I suspect it's backend, not map prettification.

yes, but like i said, the logic behind the decisions is what troubles me. I just cant understand.

this reasoning:

PGI: '' YES WE ARE AWARE THAT THE GAME DOESN'T PERFORM LIKE IT SHOULD, BUT LETS THROW IN MORE GRAPHICAL AND CPU FEATURES.'' << this is what i don't understand.

Edited by The Robot Jox, 20 July 2016 - 07:17 AM.

[lpmagic]

OP if your getting less than 20 FPS with that rig, there IS something else going on......I don't really have a "lesser" rig (maybe a bit more powerful but it's dollars to doughnuts in this regard) and I can run, with similar in game settings to yours, right around 90-100 fps, something else is afoot here. I am NOT disagreeing with your point overall however

my rig for comparison

I7 4790k (24/7 OC 4.8 Ghz)
16 GB DDR3 2133 Avexir ram
2x R9 290X Asus DUII OC
Crucial mx100 512 SSD
dual open water loops

even with the last patch, it still puts out ok, I feel like something else might be going on

Edit: o' and since xfire is not supported, i only run the one GPU at a time....that is why i feel like our rigs are similar in performance.

Edited by lpmagic, 20 July 2016 - 07:19 AM.

[Rosscoe]

It's a graphics bug with the draw distance again.

Play faction warfare and watch your FPS drop or freeze for a few sseconds (on any detail levels) as drop ships spawn in more mechs.

Really wish they would get this fixed.

I'm doing a repair tool run to wipe the cache clean, see if that helps.

Worst case video drivers????

Edited by Rosscoe, 20 July 2016 - 07:24 AM.

[The Robot Jox]

lpmagic, on 20 July 2016 - 07:18 AM, said:

OP if your getting less than 20 FPS with that rig, there IS something else going on......I don't really have a "lesser" rig (maybe a bit more powerful but it's dollars to doughnuts in this regard) and I can run, with similar in game settings to yours, right around 90-100 fps, something else is afoot here. I am NOT disagreeing with your point overall however

my rig for comparison

I7 4790k (24/7 OC 4.8 Ghz)
16 GB DDR3 2133 Avexir ram
2x R9 290X Asus DUII OC
Crucial mx100 512 SSD
dual open water loops

even with the last patch, it still puts out ok, I feel like something else might be going on

Edit: o' and since xfire is not supported, i only run the one GPU at a time....that is why i feel like our rigs are similar in performance.

hello, my lowest drop is 20, my highest is 150, but what I'm talking about is frame per second stability. I have lost many times because the game does not recover from the 20's fast enough.

In any case thanks for your tips on performance, i have checked many times, tested other games, and none suffer the way this one does.

[Alistair Winter]

I'm using my potato computer because my real computer suffered a hard drive crash. And I've had games where everything freezes for 4-5 seconds, just on account of the graphics. And crazy FPS drops on top of that, especially on River City. And it's not really consistent either, it just happens at random moment during the early period of the match, usually.

Something seems to be wrong, indeed.

[The Robot Jox]

i edited my windows power plan and when my fps tanks to my original post, to avoid deviation of discussion.

[lazytopaz]

My Gf's Lenovo z580 with some mobile Geforce and 1gb ram, with all settings on LOW, runs at shaky ~20 FPS.

So I have no Idea why anything remotely better (well at least with proper GPU) could have any problems AT ALL.

My rig runs with :

i5, 12 gb ram, GTX 970 ME and I run full max settings no problems at all. With those occasional cryengine crashes we all see from time to time.

PC's are fun to toy around but as all complex machines can be problematic and cause problems. I remember this time few years ago when my rig had from time to time them "mood swings" and would turn itself off or reset while doing whatever. It was all power supply fault which was s#it brand but the hair I've pulled out of my head were already on the floor. So yeah go figure.

I think you need to do some research and diagnose your stuff because your beast of a RIG should run 4x MW:O at the same time without any hiccup.


My advice :
Check your Motherboard + Bios + Memory compatibility with it. Some RAM sticks don't work well with particular motherboards. Check your motherboard manual if those that you are using are on a blacklist or not.
Very old installtion of Windows? Maybe its time to do some cleaning on your OS partition like format C:, defragmentation, fresh installation of windows, etc.

DON'T DEFRAGMENT if your OS partition/disk is SSD.

Keep in mind if you're using SSD you'll need some additional tweaks to windows+bios (if it didn't already by it self) to keep your SSD healtheir and running smoothly for longer period of time.
Beta drivers are not always a good choice. Better stick to reliable and stable versions of those. Ofc straight from the producer of your GPU.

BTW faulty/bad installtion of some drivers can seriously f#ck your PC. Check if there are any errors in Device Manager.

Any Windows 10 users here having problems with MWO? (asking cuz I'm building a fortress back at home with my trusty win7 until I'm forced by M$ to switch). I've heard/read some awful stuff bout early stages of Win10.
Requries some time and patching before being usable, as usual.

Edited by lazytopaz, 20 July 2016 - 07:54 AM.

[The Robot Jox]

lazytopaz, on 20 July 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

Dude, then this game just has serious issues with hardware which needs to be resolved on PGI end.

My Gf's Lenovo z580 with some mobile Geforce and 1gb ram, with all settings on LOW, runs at shaky ~20 FPS.

So I have no Idea why anything remotely better (well at least with proper GPU) could have any problems AT ALL.

My rig runs with :

i5, 12 gb ram, GTX 970 ME and I run full max settings no problems at all. With those occasional cryengine crashes we all see from time to time.

PC's are fun to toy around but as all complex machines can be problematic and cause problems. I remember this time few years ago when my rig had from time to time them "mood swings" and would turn itself off or reset while doing whatever. It was all power supply fault which was s#it brand but the hair I've pulled out of my head were already on the floor. So yeah go figure.

I think you need to do some research and diagnose your stuff because your beast of a RIG should run 4x MW:O at the same time without any hiccup.

Hello, thanks for the reply. I have tested in many ways with different hardware, i have the benefit that i sell and assemble computers for a living, so i have tested even on computers with different hardware, even better than the one i own, and its the same.

like i said, I'm talking about stabilization. I get 150-144 fps vsync off but when the game is hot on team fights (important), it fails to perform to the point of game breaking events.

Stabilization > High Framerates, the drops are there, and if you dont ever get a drop to the 20-40, than I'm very happy for you.

Edited by The Robot Jox, 20 July 2016 - 07:53 AM.

[Rosscoe]

lazytopaz, on 20 July 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

Dude, then this game just has serious issues with hardware which needs to be resolved on PGI end.

My Gf's Lenovo z580 with some mobile Geforce and 1gb ram, with all settings on LOW, runs at shaky ~20 FPS.

So I have no Idea why anything remotely better (well at least with proper GPU) could have any problems AT ALL.

My rig runs with :

i5, 12 gb ram, GTX 970 ME and I run full max settings no problems at all. With those occasional cryengine crashes we all see from time to time.

PC's are fun to toy around but as all complex machines can be problematic and cause problems. I remember this time few years ago when my rig had from time to time them "mood swings" and would turn itself off or reset while doing whatever. It was all power supply fault which was s#it brand but the hair I've pulled out of my head were already on the floor. So yeah go figure.

I think you need to do some research and diagnose your stuff because your beast of a RIG should run 4x MW:O at the same time without any hiccup.


My advice :
Check your Motherboard + Bios + Memory compatibility with it. Some RAM sticks don't work well with particular motherboards. Check your motherboard manual if those that you are using are on a blacklist or not.
Very old installtion of Windows? Maybe its time to do some cleaning on your OS partition like format C:, defragmentation, fresh installation of windows, etc.Keep in mind if you're using SSD you'll need some additional tweaks to windows+bios (if it didn't already by it self) to keep your SSD healtheir and running smoothly for longer period of time.
Beta drivers are not always a good choice. Better stick to reliable and stable versions of those. Ofc straight from the producer of your GPU.

BTW faulty/bad installtion of some drivers can seriously f#ck your PC. Check if there are any errors in Device Manager.

Any Windows 10 users here having problems with MWO? (asking cuz I'm building a fortress back at home with my trusty win7 until I'm forced by M$ to switch). I've heard/read some awful stuff bout early stages of Win10.
Requries some time and patching before being usable, as usual.

Sadly this is over thinking it, its the game eninge itself since the latest patch. PGI will have to fix this.

For the record I'm on Windows 7 and having this issue with FPS after sooo many patchs is kinda disappointing from this patch.

[lazytopaz]

I'm not gonna judge yet as I haven't played a lot since the patch came online. But I've got no problems so far.

We happy few...*whistling* No jinxing plz!!!


It might be them Decals and some engine/game side " *Fixing* " that was done that could be the breaking point for you guys.

I really do hope you guys find a way to work around it and PGI reacts quickly to fix this and/or reply here with some sort of a help that goes beyond Indian Tech Support (IZZ DE COMPUTAH PLUGGED INN?!).

EDIT :

The Robot Jox, on 20 July 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

Hello, thanks for the reply. I have tested in many ways with different hardware, i have the benefit that i sell and assemble computers for a living, so i have tested even on computers with different hardware, even better than the one i own, and its the same.

like i said, I'm talking about stabilization. I get 150-144 fps vsync off but when the game is hot on team fights (important), it fails to perform to the point of game breaking events.

Stabilization > High Framerates, the drops are there, and if you dont ever get a drop to the 20-40, than I'm very happy for you.

Are you using totally diferent parts like you try it on totally different setup that doesn't include ANY of the original/your day by day used components? Maybe fault lies in one single component that is included in every setup test you do?

I'm grabbing straws here or whatever the proper saying fits in here but still may be a food for thought.

Edited by lazytopaz, 20 July 2016 - 08:14 AM.

[The Robot Jox]

lazytopaz, on 20 July 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

My Gf's Lenovo z580 with some mobile Geforce and 1gb ram, with all settings on LOW, runs at shaky ~20 FPS.

So I have no Idea why anything remotely better (well at least with proper GPU) could have any problems AT ALL.

My rig runs with :

i5, 12 gb ram, GTX 970 ME and I run full max settings no problems at all. With those occasional cryengine crashes we all see from time to time.

PC's are fun to toy around but as all complex machines can be problematic and cause problems. I remember this time few years ago when my rig had from time to time them "mood swings" and would turn itself off or reset while doing whatever. It was all power supply fault which was s#it brand but the hair I've pulled out of my head were already on the floor. So yeah go figure.

I think you need to do some research and diagnose your stuff because your beast of a RIG should run 4x MW:O at the same time without any hiccup.


My advice :
Check your Motherboard + Bios + Memory compatibility with it. Some RAM sticks don't work well with particular motherboards. Check your motherboard manual if those that you are using are on a blacklist or not.
Very old installtion of Windows? Maybe its time to do some cleaning on your OS partition like format C:, defragmentation, fresh installation of windows, etc.

DON'T DEFRAGMENT if your OS partition/disk is SSD.

Keep in mind if you're using SSD you'll need some additional tweaks to windows+bios (if it didn't already by it self) to keep your SSD healtheir and running smoothly for longer period of time.
Beta drivers are not always a good choice. Better stick to reliable and stable versions of those. Ofc straight from the producer of your GPU.

BTW faulty/bad installtion of some drivers can seriously f#ck your PC. Check if there are any errors in Device Manager.

Any Windows 10 users here having problems with MWO? (asking cuz I'm building a fortress back at home with my trusty win7 until I'm forced by M$ to switch). I've heard/read some awful stuff bout early stages of Win10.
Requries some time and patching before being usable, as usual.

hello, like i said, i have no issues with hardware, motherboard and ram are compatible and listed on the asus z170-a, ssd is configured and trimmed properly on a weekly basis and on ahci mode.

Drivers are current and WHQL for every part of the system. Memory was tested from a boot disk using memtest.
Benchmarks load temps are fine. (if you read my 1st post)
And my trusty windows 10 installation was clean installed not upgraded.
i use my laptop for work (exell office etc)
my killawat metter never exceeds 450w on full load. (psu related) 12v does not fluctuate to a point of concern.

ps: defragmenting a ssd has no benefit, i have no mechanical drives in my setup, thanks.

Edited by The Robot Jox, 20 July 2016 - 08:09 AM.

[El Bandito]

I'm getting slight frame skipping as well. Never happened before the patch.

[9thDeathscream]

Turn the AA off.

Seems an issue with the added textures.

[lazytopaz]

It feels like we're doing testing for PGI.

I'd laugh if we were talking bout Indie games....

[The Robot Jox]

@lazytopaz Yes it does feel like we are still in beta, all list on your advice list are checked on my original post, thanks.

Edited by The Robot Jox, 20 July 2016 - 08:15 AM.