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[Chuck Jager]

Mudhutwarrior, on 26 July 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

That's probably the most truthful part of this conversation. You have team players in pug matches and its bothersome to switch. It doesn't cross your mind that your trashing the experience for solo players. Or that you could do a lot to lead a match and teach. It just fun to club baby seals.

That's really the big issue here.

It is not that it is bothersome. It does not work consistently for me or it messes up all of my other MIC inputs in windows sound settings.

I do agree that learning to lead is what better players should do. We all need to work on our weaknesses. I do this by typing in the number and location of mechs that may influence the battle as well as trying to locate the few folks who look like they will make good decisions and follow/lead them so the rest of the team has a chance.

[Tatula]

KinLuu, on 26 July 2016 - 05:22 AM, said:

If I PUG, I play with music. Simple as that. If I wanted to play serious, I would not PUG anyways.

That's an unfortunate attitude. For those who choose to PUG for whatever reason, it is unfair for you to play less seriously when you're not playing with your unit. In fact, you should be working harder to help your PUG team since you don't have your regular team mates to support you.

[TWIAFU]

Aloha, on 26 July 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

That's an unfortunate attitude. For those who choose to PUG for whatever reason, it is unfair for you to play less seriously when you're not playing with your unit. In fact, you should be working harder to help your PUG team since you don't have your regular team mates to support you.

So, carry harder, got it.

[Tatula]

TWIAFU, on 26 July 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

So, carry harder, got it.

Not necessarily carry harder, but at least communicate harder. Unlike playing with your team mates, PUGs are not familiar with your play style or habits. If you're going to run off to scout or spot, let them know so they won't try to follow. If you're going to tank/charge, let them know so your team can do it together. I'm aware that it doesn't always work, but that's not a reason to not try.

[Signal27]

KinLuu, on 26 July 2016 - 05:22 AM, said:

If I PUG, I play with music. Simple as that. If I wanted to play serious, I would not PUG anyways.

It's people like these that tempt me to just hit the bottle until I'm smashed as I PUG, since hardly anybody else seems to be taking anything seriously.

[Charlie Grant]

A barrier to effective and frequent voice communication that I commonly see is ridicule and shaming by teammates of someone that attempts to lead them. I would not appreciate such responses if I were trying to make an effort to help the team. This is one reason my VOIP is usually disabled.

[Signal27]

Charlie Grant, on 26 July 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

A barrier to effective and frequent voice communication that I commonly see is ridicule and shaming by teammates of someone that attempts to lead them. I would not appreciate such responses if I were trying to make an effort to help the team. This is one reason my VOIP is usually disabled.

If you don't want to talk you could at least leave VOIP open in case somebody else is trying to be helpful. Granted, you get the occasional trash talker but it's like that in just about any PvP game with VOIP. Sticks and stones and all that.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Charlie Grant, on 26 July 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

A barrier to effective and frequent voice communication that I commonly see is ridicule and shaming by teammates of someone that attempts to lead them. I would not appreciate such responses if I were trying to make an effort to help the team. This is one reason my VOIP is usually disabled.

True, There is no time allowed to sort things out though so you have to take a chance. I don't know how many times I have been killed at the start because i was the one that listened and no one else did. No excuse to give up trying because once in a while it works.

[Chuck Jager]

When we get ahead by 3-4 mechs, I type:
"Do not lock or lrms will get your easy damage and kills"

FOr some reason everybody but the lrms seem to think this is good advice.

[Hank Wildcarde]

I (finally) bought a mike the other week and had a go at leading - I don't pretend to be a brilliant leader but I give it a go and have noticed that often it makes a massive difference.

I call pushes - pushes happen. I call a target - it dies. Magic!!

Quite often (modesty aside for a second) I have led the team to a stomp victory because the other side clearly were not communicating. Hearing "great calls" after a match is very satisfying

Then again, I have led my teams to abject failure. It is frustrating when this happens and someone whines "bg" or "rubbish leader" after staying silent the whole game. The price for daring I suppose...


Sadly, due to this I have just moved from Tier 2 to Tier 1 and am now repeatedly handed my own posterior so lessons learned:

1) Communication (combined with aggression) are the most powerful tools in this game
2) Stay clear of Tier 1

[Foxwalker]

Mudhutwarrior, on 26 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

I would sure prefer people were not mike shy. Nothing worse than having everybody in a solo match stay silent. Don't care if you sound like a woodpecker. Just get in there.

Well said, also I get that many don't speak English well, but I am betting almost all could call out things like "Alpha in D8!"
Good discussion. I am seeing some reasonable answers from both sides.

[Iron Heel]

Wow
Color me surprised.
I really would have thought more players would support & promote coms.
I am not a chatty patty, but I will call out troop movement's and locations, more so if I see my team responding.
But ****..
I wish I didn't read this thread, it's robbed me of any desire to even bother logging in tonight.

Get out and get some social skills.. Ya f;!&@$#&ing losers.

[Pjwned]

Because I don't feel like talking, and that's all you need to know. There are reasons that I don't feel like talking, most of which involve not wanting to put a bunch of effort into making my voice comms clear enough for everybody to understand or dealing with the atrocious VOIP implementation in MWO, but what it really comes down to is I don't feel like it.

The game should be able to compensate for this with its own interface, and it actually has now that we have a decent command wheel interface, although I also think it still needs some improvements.

It's not much to expect we have a quality interface that makes it easy to communicate with your team, like this:

Edited by Pjwned, 26 July 2016 - 01:07 PM.

[Foxwalker]

Pjwned, on 26 July 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

Because I don't feel like talking, and that's all you need to know. There are reasons that I don't feel like talking, most of which involve not wanting to put a bunch of effort into making my voice comms clear enough for everybody to understand or dealing with the atrocious VOIP implementation in MWO, but what it really comes down to is I don't feel like it.

The game should be able to compensate for this with its own interface, and it actually has now that we have a decent command wheel interface, although I also think it still needs some improvements.

It's not much to expect we have a quality interface that makes it easy to communicate with your team, like this:

All I can says is WOW. That is a bit juvenile. "Cause I don't feel like it! and that is all you need to know!" It should be accompanied by jumping up and down and stamping your feet.

Your second part is also pretty self centered as well. They need to fix it so it works better for how you want to play rather to adapt to a proven method of mechanics that has worked since the game came out. Remember in Beta, we used to PUG stomp mostly due to the fact that we used Team Speak to communicate and the PUGs did not. Sigh...

[Pjwned]

Foxwalker, on 26 July 2016 - 02:30 PM, said:

All I can says is WOW. That is a bit juvenile. "Cause I don't feel like it! and that is all you need to know!" It should be accompanied by jumping up and down and stamping your feet.

And you apparently demanding that I talk more is not juvenile?

What a hypocrite.

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Your second part is also pretty self centered as well. They need to fix it so it works better for how you want to play rather to adapt to a proven method of mechanics that has worked since the game came out. Remember in Beta, we used to PUG stomp mostly due to the fact that we used Team Speak to communicate and the PUGs did not. Sigh...

Your whole point contradicts itself by demonstrating that PUGs who had no access Teamspeak got rolled because there was no other effective communication tools in the game.

"It worked out for us because we stomped the **** out of the other guys."

I thought your OP was stupid but holy ****, this is on a whole new level of stupid.

[Foxwalker]

Pjwned, on 26 July 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

And you apparently demanding that I talk more is not juvenile?

What a hypocrite.



Your whole point contradicts itself by demonstrating that PUGs who had no access Teamspeak got rolled because there was no other effective communication tools in the game.

"It worked out for us because we stomped the **** out of the other guys."

I thought your OP was stupid but holy ****, this is on a whole new level of stupid.

So even more childish. You have to call me names too. LOL. Again, sign
There is no "demand" that you speak. I get that you don't want to.
It was just the tone of it.

Also I don't see any contradiction. I see that I was demonstrating that speaking works.
Now that everyone can, but choose not to, seems silly to me since it was the deciding factor in early play.

Gosh...

Edited by Foxwalker, 26 July 2016 - 03:54 PM.

[Pjwned]

Foxwalker, on 26 July 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

So even more childish. You have to call me names too. LOL. Again, sign

Copping out instead of refuting anything I said, what a surprise.

You might also notice that I didn't say you are stupid since I said your post is what was stupid, but I'm not going to by any means exclude that you are stupid as well, so there you go.

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There is no "demand" that you speak. I get that you don't want to.
It was just the tone of it.

Tone policing is the epitome of childish, so I find that pretty funny.

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Also I don't see any contradiction. I see that I was demonstrating that speaking works.
Now that everyone can, but choose not to, seems silly to me since it was the deciding factor in early play.

Gosh...

And I was demonstrating that voice comms aren't perfect while giving an example of a perfectly reasonable in-game interface that doesn't rely on voice...only for you to throw a tantrum because I don't like dealing with voice comms.

Is it unreasonable to ask for a good, well refined interface in-game to communicate with teammates quickly? No, it isn't, and I guess PGI agrees because they finally have a command wheel interface now which is good, although it could definitely use some further improvements like keyboard shortcuts within the command wheel.

Edited by Pjwned, 26 July 2016 - 04:25 PM.

[Foxwalker]

Pjwned, on 26 July 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Copping out instead of refuting anything I said, what a surprise.

You might also notice that I didn't say you are stupid since I said your post is what was stupid, but I'm not going to by any means exclude that you are stupid as well, so there you go.



Tone policing is the epitome of childish, so I find that pretty funny.



And I was demonstrating that voice comms aren't perfect while giving an example of a perfectly reasonable in-game interface that doesn't rely on voice...only for you to throw a tantrum because I don't like dealing with voice comms.

Is it unreasonable to ask for a good, well refined interface in-game to communicate with teammates quickly? No, it isn't, and I guess PGI agrees because they finally have a command wheel interface now which is good, although it could definitely use some further improvements like keyboard shortcuts within the command wheel.

I guess we can agree to disagree. It boils down to if players agree with you that voice is not the way to go or with me that voice is easier.

I can be wrong. I am an old guy and really have not bought into the texting is better than actually just talking to people on a phone. I see the TV shows and the comics in the paper showing all the kids texting while their parents can't get them to talk to them. So it goes.

I would rather not continue this process we have started getting more and more combative on the forum, that is what the game is for. I will say you win, I do not want to continue an escalation of the negative commentary.
The whole point is discussion not abuse.

So I apologize to you for any offense I may have given here.

[Jon Gotham]

You should not care if the comms is voice or text. The issue is, there rarely is ANY comms at al of any type. Anti social people is the issue, deliberately logging onto a team based game and deliberately NOT playing in a team based manner.
this spoils the game and lowers it to the lowest point it can be. Mostly the same people then have the cheek to defend that standpoint.
"I do what I want because me, and MY time is more important than all the others people's in the match with me."
That is ultimately what some people on this thread have said.

Talk or text, but flippin' well DO ONE OF THEM.

[Ihasa]

For me, PGI has seen to it themselves that my VOIP never works. No matter what I do, what options and settings I try, I cannot use a mic. Even with a new headset, no dice. so no talking for me. I listen real well and type quick though.