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[Balthzar Hazen]

Are supply cache Keys worth the money the answer is YES as long as you can afford the MC

So I bought some MC it was the $99 Package. I wanted the Mech Bays and I thought the Supply Caches were a little bonus. I want to start by saying that in no instance did I win the top or second tier prize and I sold all caches that didn’t have either a Mech or a Module. However I did open one or two loser caches (ones that had no real value) to me.
At the 25000MC for $99 the value is 252.5MC = $1
Cost to open all 38= $3.76

Below are the results of all 38 Supply Caches including the CBILL or MC value.
The total cost in MC to buy keys for this if needed is 950MC
Total in MC value of items won 25MC
Total Resale value of all Items 8,305,00
Total Cost of items if bought in Mechlab 16,610,00

Here are my Conclusions
Every prize was worth more than the 50,000k you would have gotten if you sold it.
Is it worth the amount of money to open a supply cache. In my opinion the cost is negligible. Frankly it would probably take me 6 months or more to win 38 so the cost is actually about $1 per month.
Do I personally approve of the gambling mindset NO
The fact that I am almost positive that the results are predetermined makes me feel a little manipulated but I will get over it.
My previous opinions stated in other threads with the exception of gambling concerns I will retract.


Final conclusion is this
If $1 a month helps PGI to continue to develop the game I can gladly afford and am happy to pay it and I actually get decent value for the MC in game items. Are they the items I wanted most not even close, but if they gave away mechs and engines you wouldn’t buy them.
38 Supply Caches results

1. C-ERPPC 300,000
2. Med Pulse Laser 60,000
3. C- Gauss Rifle 300,000
4. Sell 50,000
5. Sell 50,000
6. Sell 50,000
7. LRM 15 175,000
8. Sell 50,000
9. Sell 50,000
10. 250,000 Cbills 250,000
11. Gauss Rifle 300,000
12. Sell 50,000
13. Supply Cache Key 25MC
14. ER PPC 300,000
15. Clan Active Probe 200,000
16. C Narc 100,000
17. 250,000 C Bills 250,000
18. Artillery Accuracy Mod 2,000,000
19. Sell 50,000
20. Sell 50,000
21. 250,000 Cbills 250,000
22. C-LB 20X AC 600,000
23. SRM 4 x2 120,000
24. 250,000 CBills 250,000
25. C ECM 200,000
26. C AMS 100,000
27. C Narc 100,000
28. C Ultra AC5 x2 400,000
29. NARC 100,000
30. Sell 50,000
31. 250,000 CBills 250,000
32. Sell 50,000
33. Sell 50,000
34. Large Pulse Lasers x2 350,000
35. C ERPPC 300,000
36. Sell 50,000
37. 250,000 CBills 250,000
38. C Active Probe 200,000

[Tatula]

Wow... 38 caches and not a single mech, war horn, premium time, or (useful) module. PGI, you need to rework those odds.

Edit: Due to cache #18 as pointed out

Edited by Aloha, 29 July 2016 - 01:34 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Yeah, I'm thinking that this crate system is best used for converting MC to C-Bills and not much else.

You would think that other than the one key, the player much have won something that wasn't C-Bill related at least once.

So in general, if you want to convert MC to C-Bills, buy crate keys. Other than that purpose (like a chance to win non-cbill related prizes), I'd pass.

[dario03]

Yeah since there was no premium time and the only mc thing was a supply key it seems like this would only be good for new players or people who need to sell stuff all the time. Players that have cbills and inventory don't need any of that stuff so even though its good mc to cbill conversion it wouldn't be of much use to them. But hey, you can still just sale the crates for 50k (that you don't really need ).

Edited by dario03, 27 July 2016 - 07:39 AM.

[AztecD]

how did you get 38 crates, im still waiting on my 1st one

[Terona]

I've not t heard of a single person winning anything meaningful from these.

Shameless cash grab.

Least it's a 50k bonus on some matches

[dario03]

Darth Terona, on 27 July 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

I've not t heard of a single person winning anything meaningful from these.

Shameless cash grab.

Least it's a 50k bonus on some matches

I was in a group when someone won a Dragon 5n with mechbay.

[Ghogiel]

I'd rather have the MC than any of the other rewards besides 1 on your list.

[Alistair Winter]

This just confirms what everyone suspected all along. Supply caches are a slower, more unpredictable way of buying C-bills for real money. Although sometimes you'll potentially win a cockpit item or a module that you may or may not want.

I don't blame PGI for trying. But it's still pretty ridiculous.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Aloha, on 27 July 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Wow... 38 caches and not a single mech, war horn, premium time, or module. PGI, you need to rework those odds.

This if funny because that is exactly what I took out of his result. Now to be fair he sold several of them but of the 25-30 he did open not a single one awarded anything I would really care about and for 950 MC I could have bought a whole lot of one shot camos, colors, decals and such.

[Davers]

End result: if you are ok with spending cash for Cbills it's fine.

[Felbombling]

Depending on your investment level for Mech Credits, the keys cost anywhere from $0.10 - $0.14 each.

If you bought 6.5 million C-Bills through the in-game store for 4000 Mech Credits, that would work out to about 40625 C-Bills per 25 Mech Credits spent.

Crap prizes from the supply caches, such as an SRM 6 rack, can be sold back for 60000 C-Bills, or kept, saving you 120000 C-Bills should you use it.

Simply put, the supply caches are the best way to generate C-Bills from Mech Credits, hands down, besides purchasing select Mechs on sale and selling them for C-Bills once off sale. The store Mech Credits for C-Bill system is horrible by comparison. Sure, you've probably got a 1% chance to win the grand prize each time you open one, but the mid-tier rewards, such as a heavy weapon system, will still give you more bang for your buck than a C-Bill bundle.

The casinos don't operate to make visitors rich, so no need to expect PGI to throw the grand prize at you every other supply cache, as some people seem to expect.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Only slightly worrying that out of 30+ crates you got nothing for your money.

[Tatula]

StaggerCheck, on 27 July 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Depending on your investment level for Mech Credits, the keys cost anywhere from $0.10 - $0.14 each.

If you bought 6.5 million C-Bills through the in-game store for 4000 Mech Credits, that would work out to about 40625 C-Bills per 25 Mech Credits spent.

Crap prizes from the supply caches, such as an SRM 6 rack, can be sold back for 60000 C-Bills, or kept, saving you 120000 C-Bills should you use it.

Except when you get unlucky and got that lump of coal.

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Simply put, the supply caches are the best way to generate C-Bills from Mech Credits, hands down, besides purchasing select Mechs on sale and selling them for C-Bills once off sale. The store Mech Credits for C-Bill system is horrible by comparison. Sure, you've probably got a 1% chance to win the grand prize each time you open one, but the mid-tier rewards, such as a heavy weapon system, will still give you more bang for your buck than a C-Bill bundle.

The casinos don't operate to make visitors rich, so no need to expect PGI to throw the grand prize at you every other supply cache, as some people seem to expect.

The difference is the so-called grand prizes costs nothing (other than the initial creative process) to PGI. I'm not expecting a grand prize every other cache, but not even a decent module out of 38 caches? Casino odds are only slightly in favor of the house, which is not the case here. People won't be going to casinos if all they'll win are coffee mugs or restaurant coupons. A more accurate analogy is the lottery. You spend a dollar for a ticket for a chance at millions.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Aloha, on 27 July 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

The difference is the so-called grand prizes costs nothing (other than the initial creative process) to PGI.

That's not ENTIRELY true.

If they gave away MC items and you won an item you WERE going to purchase and now don't have to, then the give away item DID cost PGI a sale. If you weren't going to purchase that item anyway, and it had no effect on your purchasing, then yes what you said would be right.

I think PGI is afraid that if they sweeten the pot too much with MC goods, it will erode sales. Unfortunately I think that means they went too far into the C-Bill only item territory. I think they could improve the pot and the odds a little bit more.

I mean, look at the weekend tournaments and grab bag events they do. I'm sure they give out a lot of MC trinkets in those events and often they are weekend after weekend. Why be stingy now? Crates are hard-ish to get (1/12 chance on a win...which is about 50% of your matches on average) and unlike free weekend events, still cost money to unlock.

I'm not saying they should be handing out a mech+mechbay every key spent, but they could make it a bit more worth while. Maybe include more less popular warhorns or cockpit items as a little bit better filler than what they are doing now.

Just make it a little bit better.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 27 July 2016 - 10:18 AM.

[Burke IV]

Im gonna save all my chaches with keys and maybe the occasional interesting one. If any free keys become available i will use them

[Felbombling]

Balthzar Hazen, on 27 July 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

38 Supply Caches results

1. C-ERPPC 300,000
2. Med Pulse Laser 60,000
3. C- Gauss Rifle 300,000
4. Sell 50,000
5. Sell 50,000
6. Sell 50,000
7. LRM 15 175,000
8. Sell 50,000
9. Sell 50,000
10. 250,000 Cbills 250,000
11. Gauss Rifle 300,000
12. Sell 50,000
13. Supply Cache Key 25MC
14. ER PPC 300,000
15. Clan Active Probe 200,000
16. C Narc 100,000
17. 250,000 C Bills 250,000
18. Artillery Accuracy Mod 2,000,000
19. Sell 50,000
20. Sell 50,000
21. 250,000 Cbills 250,000
22. C-LB 20X AC 600,000
23. SRM 4 x2 120,000
24. 250,000 CBills 250,000
25. C ECM 200,000
26. C AMS 100,000
27. C Narc 100,000
28. C Ultra AC5 x2 400,000
29. NARC 100,000
30. Sell 50,000
31. 250,000 CBills 250,000
32. Sell 50,000
33. Sell 50,000
34. Large Pulse Lasers x2 350,000
35. C ERPPC 300,000
36. Sell 50,000
37. 250,000 CBills 250,000
38. C Active Probe 200,000

Oderint dum Metuant, on 27 July 2016 - 09:43 AM, said:

Only slightly worrying that out of 30+ crates you got nothing for your money.

Oderint, I'm pretty sure he came out ahead. Based on some quick math, he walked away with 8455000 C-Bills worth of loot, not counting the Mech Credits. Voila... plenty of Mechs in that price range. He actually got a free Mech... he just doesn't look at it like that.

Edited by StaggerCheck, 27 July 2016 - 10:46 AM.

[UNO168]

thx for the info, I was wondering what's in the cache

[Mechwarrior1441491]

omni pods happen way too much.

Mechs shouldn't be in there. A Light, Med, Heavy or Assault option SHOULD. Players get to choose a mech of that weight class. The way it is now, is silly.

Also, the ability to recycle mounted items for a fraction of their MC.

Currently they have found a way to trick people into paying MC for non MC items. Congrats to them I guess. their loot box is sub par.


Keep this box. Change it a bit, but have a GENERIC box that is part of a game mode and free to open, which is all generic items. Raid planets for their goodies.

Edited by Mechwarrior1441491, 27 July 2016 - 10:46 AM.

[DAYLEET]

Balthzar Hazen, on 27 July 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

Are supply cache Keys worth the money the answer is YES as long as you can afford the MC

So I bought some MC it was the $99 Package. I wanted the Mech Bays and I thought the Supply Caches were a little bonus. I want to start by saying that in no instance did I win the top or second tier prize.

So your conclusion is if you can waste money do it to the people who arent even giving you anything in return... Might as well pay a cofee to a hobo, he need it most.