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[ComradeHavoc]

Why are medium IS mechs so freaking tall?

Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems like IS mediums are just designed stupidly, with the arm hardpoints at the waist, and the actual mech towering over several heavy and assault mechs. Why? Is this lore?

[FupDup]

But bro, they're totally the objectively and scientifically correct volume now!

Look at this picture below for SCIENCE and OBJECTIVITY!



See? You can totally tell that the Warhammer has 15 additional tons of armor and firepower over the Griffin. Look at how drastically different their sizes are!

Edited by FupDup, 14 July 2016 - 03:44 PM.

[ComradeHavoc]

FupDup, on 14 July 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

But bro, they're totally the objectively and scientifically correct volume now!

Look at this picture below for SCIENCE and OBJECTIVITY!



See? You can totally tell that the Warhammer has 15 additional tons of armor and firepower over the Griffin. Look at how drastically different their sizes are!

Normally I would say a sarcastic, witty response, but I'm too angry to think of anything right now. Seriously though, WHY DON'T THEY EXTEND THEIR ARMS CLOSER TO THE COCKPIT?!

Edited by ComradeHavoc, 14 July 2016 - 03:46 PM.

[ScarecrowES]

FupDup, on 14 July 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

But bro, they're totally the objectively and scientifically correct volume now!

Look at this picture below for SCIENCE and OBJECTIVITY!



See? You can totally tell that the Warhammer has 15 additional tons of armor and firepower over the Griffin. Look at how drastically different their sizes are!

Using Mechlab views for scale comparisons between different mechs? tsk tsk. You know better.

[M3 SABLE]

FupDup, on 14 July 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

But bro, they're totally the objectively and scientifically correct volume now!

Look at this picture below for SCIENCE and OBJECTIVITY!



See? You can totally tell that the Warhammer has 15 additional tons of armor and firepower over the Griffin. Look at how drastically different their sizes are!

looks about right for a 15 ton difference. That is like, 1 gauss rifle

[FupDup]

M3 SABLE, on 14 July 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

looks about right for a 15 ton difference. That is like, 1 gauss rifle

Maybe if we scale that Gauss Rifle by PGI standards...

[Deathlike]

Medium Mechs are tall because we need to mistake them for Assault mechs. That is what PGI is teaching us.

Once in a while, Trebuchets are mistaken for Highlanders.

You're better off doing the Medium Mech drinking game, where you take a drink every time to see an overscaled Medium Mech, posing as something much larger than it already is.

[ScarecrowES]

Deathlike, on 14 July 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

Medium Mechs are tall because we need to mistake them for Assault mechs. That is what PGI is teaching us.

Once in a while, Trebuchets are mistaken for Highlanders.

You're better off doing the Medium Mech drinking game, where you take a drink every time to see an overscaled Medium Mech, posing as something much larger than it already is.

Much more believable now that you can stamp an Atlas face on all your mechs.

[Bishop Steiner]

ScarecrowES, on 14 July 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

Using Mechlab views for scale comparisons between different mechs? tsk tsk. You know better.

and ignoring how 3D volume scaling actually works... double mass ain't anywhere near double size.

Square Cube Law, kids? 15 tons? Between 55 and 70 tons? Not going to see a huge jump in overall proportions. But they know this. But it argues against the Subjective 2D cardboard cutout shooter theory of subjective balancing.

*shrugs*



Can't say I care much either way. People will just find something else to QQ and whinge about.

[Bud Crue]

ComradeHavoc, on 14 July 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Normally I would say a sarcastic, witty response, but I'm too angry to think of anything right now. Seriously though, WHY DON'T THEY EXTEND THEIR ARMS CLOSER TO THE COCKPIT?!

For the same reason we have hand actuators, and lower arm actuators.
Wait...

Never mind.

[Ryllen Kriel]

For PGI, medium Inner Sphere mechs are hard mode. Learn to love it!

[M3 SABLE]

FupDup, on 14 July 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

Maybe if we scale that Gauss Rifle by PGI standards...

Griffin is 55 tons of action figure PVC, while Warhammer is 70 tons of steel n ****.

Do you even science bro?

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 July 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

and ignoring how 3D volume scaling actually works... double mass ain't anywhere near double size.

Square Cube Law, kids? 15 tons? Between 55 and 70 tons? Not going to see a huge jump in overall proportions. But they know this. But it argues against the Subjective 2D cardboard cutout shooter theory of subjective balancing.

And yet, if you compare a Locust to a Jenner, it's almost double the size. Consistently inconsistent...

Also, your belief that "volume is the best" is a subjective opinion.

[ScarecrowES]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 July 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

and ignoring how 3D volume scaling actually works... double mass ain't anywhere near double size.

Square Cube Law, kids? 15 tons? Between 55 and 70 tons? Not going to see a huge jump in overall proportions. But they know this. But it argues against the Subjective 2D cardboard cutout shooter theory of subjective balancing.

*shrugs*



Can't say I care much either way. People will just find something else to QQ and whinge about.

If not for whinging and QQing about the smallest of perceived inconveniences, what other use could a public forum possibly have?

[Ryllen Kriel]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 July 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

and ignoring how 3D volume scaling actually works... double mass ain't anywhere near double size.

Square Cube Law, kids? 15 tons? Between 55 and 70 tons? Not going to see a huge jump in overall proportions. But they know this. But it argues against the Subjective 2D cardboard cutout shooter theory of subjective balancing.

*shrugs*



Can't say I care much either way. People will just find something else to QQ and whinge about.

You used "subjective" twice in the same sentence, that's very opinionated!

[Deathlike]

ScarecrowES, on 14 July 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Much more believable now that you can stamp an Atlas face on all your mechs.

Sounds like a legit conspiracy.

Gotta make all Mediums Atlas sized!

Now it makes ALL the sense in the world.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ryllen Kriel, on 14 July 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

You used "subjective" twice in the same sentence, that's very opinionated!

was too lazy to try to squeeze a third in.

[ScarecrowES]

Deathlike, on 14 July 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Sounds like a legit conspiracy.

Gotta make all Mediums Atlas sized!

Now it makes ALL the sense in the world.

We should just make all mechs the same size. Also, the same speed. And probably pack the same amount of weapons. In fact, let's just restrict them to the exact same weapons. And I guess we should make it so that they can only face other mechs head on... none of this "from the side" stuff. Also, because in this sort of environment people would still whine about this, we have to make them all the same color too. Green OP, plz nerf.

Edited by ScarecrowES, 14 July 2016 - 04:04 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Lore.

Sorry guys, but this franchise is based on Lore that says all Mechs are roughly the same height. That means PGI uses thicknesses mostly for volume management. There are exceptions, where smaller mediums are given fat structures (like the Hunchback).

Here is the thing, though: when you imagine halving the size of a Mech, so a 100 ton Mech would weigh 50 tons, it would not nearly become half as tall.

If a 100 ton Atlas stood 10m tall, and you shrink all 3 axis equally, a 50 Ton Atlas would stand 8m tall.

(1*1*1 = 1, and 0.8*0.8*0.8 = 0.512)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 July 2016 - 04:06 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 14 July 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

And yet, if you compare a Locust to a Jenner, it's almost double the size. Consistently inconsistent...

Also, your belief that "volume is the best" is a subjective opinion.

yet despite your trying your best to convince us all it would be the end of days... things march on pretty much as they did before.

Shocker that.

As for my subjective opinion, apparently it's shared by enough people to matter.

*shrugs*

Prosperity Park, on 14 July 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

Lore.

Sorry guys, but this franchise is based on Lore that says all Mechs are roughly the same height. That means PGI uses thicknesses mostly for volume management. There are exceptions, where smaller mediums are given fat structures (like the Hunchback).

Here is the thing, though: when you imagine halving the size of a Mech, so a 100 ton Mech would weigh 50 tons, it would not nearly become half as tall.

If a 100 ton Atlas stood 10m tall, and you shrink all 3 axis equally, a 50 Ton Atlas would stand 8m tall.

This is a video game forum. People can't hear your logic over all the butthurt thundering in their ears.