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[Warspawn]

Hemholtz, on 05 August 2016 - 05:53 PM, said:

How do I cancel my Linebacker pre-order and switch to this?

Or can billing switch my pre-order from the ultimate Linebacker to the ultimate MAD-IIC? (since both are the same price)

I'll trade ya! I missed the Linebacker early-adopter; pc was down and wasn't paying attention. Tell support I'll preorder the MAD-IIC ultimate and then have them swap 'em in our accounts, lol!

[Vlad Striker]

Mad IIc is not an interesting chasis 'cause of 1.4 DHS rule and MAD chasis existed in the game. The same to Kodiak. The best we can do in this situation is 4xUAC10 (awful banal configuration).

[MovinTarget]

CyanEyd, on 06 August 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:

So I just noticed in the Early Adopter Rewards...no C-bill bundle. What's up with that?

you get another variant + mechbay for free instead?

For most people, thats better than 6.5 mil cbills...

Edited by MovinTarget, 06 August 2016 - 09:50 AM.

[Cervantes88]

Ugh. Stone Rhino when ?

[MovinTarget]

Cervantes88, on 06 August 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

Ugh. Stone Rhino when ?

Which came first, Behemoth or stone rhino?

And forget them, i want one of the 100% cannonical assaults from MW4... because, you know, only PGI would dare create non-canon mechs...

...the Warthog!

[LordLosh]

oh please a warthog

[ChaoticUrlond]

Nightshade24, on 06 August 2016 - 07:20 AM, said:

Correction, MW2 had the marauder cannon as a dorsal fin, because those games do not have a normal system of hitboxes, for instance: MW4 has...
Head
Centre Torso
Left Torso
Right Torso
Left Arm
Right Arm
Left Leg
Right Leg
Special 1
Special 2

That is not canon, even worse is they have no rules where they can be... they can be mounted in front of the CT, above the CT, where the legs connect instead of to the CT, On the arm, on each side torso.
That's far from canon. Having this behavior in MW: O would be the same as them adding MechAssaults Lava Gun and Plasma PPC's just because some game before had it.

MechWarrior 4 doesn't have the Marauder, however the only example of this problem I stated is on the Atlas

The reason why it isn't a dorsal in MW: O is that the mechs' can't mount an AC 5 in the CT, or an LBX 10, or a PPC, etc....

[Redacted] Clearly there is a Marauder on MW4 and the Marauder 2. There isn't the IIc version on MW4 but it'd clearly be the same design by Mektek anyways. What you cant mount a PPC on the CT of a Clan? I think you need to re evaluate the mechs that are currently in game to boat such energy weapons in the CT specially clan side. Plasma Cannons did exist in the Mechwarrior Universe. People want a Cannon MW game and this is the closet they'll ever get to it, but its never going to be fully cannon why? Cause they dont listen to the fanbase who has dropped over 100 dollars into the game. I'd take a screenshot of MW4 but its not working properly.

Edited by Odanan, 06 August 2016 - 10:25 PM.
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[Dee Eight]

CyanEyd, on 06 August 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:

So I just noticed in the Early Adopter Rewards...no C-bill bundle. What's up with that?

They replaced the C-bills with decals, AND there's a whole extra mech+mech bay as well. But also there's two less modules (instead of 2 mech and 2 weapon, its now 1 weapon and 1 mech). Given the mech is going to be more valuable than a Highlander IIC, around 10 million Cbills I do not have a problem with these rewards. I'm already swimming in modules.

ChaoticUrlond, on 06 August 2016 - 01:20 PM, said:

[Redacted] Clearly there is a Marauder on MW4 and the Marauder 2. There isn't the IIc version on MW4 but it'd clearly be the same design by Mektek anyways. What you cant mount a PPC on the CT of a Clan? I think you need to re evaluate the mechs that are currently in game to boat such energy weapons in the CT specially clan side. Plasma Cannons did exist in the Mechwarrior Universe. People want a Cannon MW game and this is the closet they'll ever get to it, but its never going to be fully cannon why? Cause they dont listen to the fanbase who has dropped over 100 dollars into the game. I'd take a screenshot of MW4 but its not working properly.

One N in Canon, cannons are the things that fire projectiles. You shouldn't be labeling someone as special needs when you don't know basic spelling.

Edited by Odanan, 06 August 2016 - 10:26 PM.
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[ChaoticUrlond]

Dee Eight, on 06 August 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

One N in Canon, cannons are the things that fire projectiles. You shouldn't be labeling someone as special needs when you don't know basic spelling.

Herp Derp, One incorrect word, and suddenly i'm a special needs person. LOL

[Koniving]

Odanan, on 06 August 2016 - 09:20 AM, said:

No, he is not.

PGI needs to sell mechs to run the company and they won't stop selling mechs until the game is shutdown.

Do you want LBX firing regular AC rounds for IS or Clan? Because the Clans already got that (the Clan ACs are actual LBX firing regular rounds).

For IS, allowing LBX to fire regular rounds would simply make the ACs obsolete (LBXs are lighter, with better range and, in MWO, fire faster).

But if you want just the mechanic of switching ammo types, PGI made it clear that that's not priority for them.

We want the ability to switch the ammo on the fly.
And for the IS the rate of fire is identical. They could also do a two slug approach to LB-X to differentiate it from the IS AC. They could also do ACs closer to what ACs are supposed to be instead of branding Mech Rifles as ACs.
(The precursor to the modern Autocannon, the Rifle was based on the main guns used by tanks on pre-spaceflight Terra.) Sarna.
(An autocannon or automatic cannon is a large, fully automatic, rapid-fire projectile weapon that fires armour-piercing or explosive shells, as opposed to the bullet fired by a machine gun.) Real Life.
(An Autocannon is a type of rapid-firing, auto-loading direct-fire ballistic weapon, firing HEAP (High-Explosive Armor-Piercing) or kinetic rounds at targets in bursts. It is, basically, a giant "machine gun" that fires predominantly cased explosive shells though models firing saboted high velocity kinetic energy penetrators or caseless ordnance do exist.) Sarna.

[pacifica812]

MovinTarget, on 06 August 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Which came first, Behemoth or stone rhino?

And forget them, i want one of the 100% cannonical assaults from MW4... because, you know, only PGI would dare create non-canon mechs...

...the Warthog!

This!!!! This was one of my favorite chassis in MW4, I remember doing tons of damage in that thing. A pair of LBX 20's and MRM's if I remember correctly... but that was another time... Bet the MAD IIc is gonna be sweet, guess we'll have to wait 'till December to find out

[Chiun44]

Apologies if this has been asked and I missed it.

The IIC-B variant left torso shows the default build to be:

Streak SRM 2, Streak SRM Ammo x3, Double Heat Sink x3
That variant has 2 missile, 1 AMS hard points in that torso.

I haven't had time to add up the weights (and I'm a couple hours from being able to), but is that a typo? A single streak SRM2 with 3 tons of ammo (or maybe 3 increments of 1/2 ton ammo, still a HUGE amount for a streak 2 launcher)?

Edited by Chiun44, 06 August 2016 - 03:02 PM.

[MovinTarget]

Chiun44, on 06 August 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

Apologies if this has been asked and I missed it.

The IIC-B variant left torso shows the default build to be:

Streak SRM 2, Streak SRM Ammo x3, Double Heat Sink x3
That variant has 2 missile, 1 AMS hard points in that torso.

I haven't had time to add up the weights (and I'm a couple hours from being able to), but is that a typo? A single streak SRM2 with 3 tons of ammo (or maybe 3 increments of 1/2 ton ammo, still a HUGE amount for a streak 2 launcher)?

Maybe it will get that 1000% quirk to cooldown like the quickdraw had for like, 5 minutes...

pacifica812, on 06 August 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

This!!!! This was one of my favorite chassis in MW4, I remember doing tons of damage in that thing. A pair of LBX 20's and MRM's if I remember correctly...

I dunno if they can even make it in mwo or if mektek holds the rights... i was actually kinda kidding because of all the people calling this-n-that anachronistic in mwo and i just figured i'd drop that bomb on them.

[-Ramrod-]

Makes me wonder if next year we'll be seeing the Warhammer IIC and the Rifleman IIC. I don't think there is an Archer IIC...correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a Griffin IIC ?

[MovinTarget]

Ramrod AI, on 06 August 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

Makes me wonder if next year we'll be seeing the Warhammer IIC and the Rifleman IIC. I don't think there is an Archer IIC...correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe a Griffin IIC ?

Yes, griffin iic exists as well as many, many others:

http://www.sarna.net...IIC#BattleMechs

[pacifica812]

MovinTarget, on 06 August 2016 - 03:21 PM, said:

Maybe it will get that 1000% quirk to cooldown like the quickdraw had for like, 5 minutes...



I dunno if they can even make it in mwo or if mektek holds the rights... i was actually kinda kidding because of all the people calling this-n-that anachronistic in mwo and i just figured i'd drop that bomb on them.

Checked Sarna, bomb dropped

[The Boneshaman]

would really love to get this. but i cant stand waiting 3 to 4+ months for something I spent real money on. its not like its a full new Xpac like Blizzards legion coming out. its one mech. I would feel more comfortable if it worked like this.

New Champion battlemech announced on August 15 pre-order now. September 05 is the end of the early adopters rewards.
September 05 comes around and people get the mech and its goodies than we wait for December or January before it comes out for Cbills and MC.

just my opinion. I know PGI dose not have the man power Blizzard dose or they may be able to do this way. I would also love to see more mechs show up that are not a money grab. kind of like the old days when they announced the Hero Orion mech than they added the others with out having this pre-order and wait forever. Just a though may be i'm just greedy or something you know first world problems.

[Hemholtz]

Warspawn, on 06 August 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'll trade ya! I missed the Linebacker early-adopter; pc was down and wasn't paying attention. Tell support I'll preorder the MAD-IIC ultimate and then have them swap 'em in our accounts, lol!

Checking with billing support if I can convert mine into a Gift with the early adopter bonus intact...will get back to you soon^TM

Edited by Hemholtz, 06 August 2016 - 06:23 PM.

[Nightshade24]

ChaoticUrlond, on 06 August 2016 - 01:20 PM, said:

[Redacted] Clearly there is a Marauder on MW4 and the Marauder 2. There isn't the IIc version on MW4 but it'd clearly be the same design by Mektek anyways. What you cant mount a PPC on the CT of a Clan? I think you need to re evaluate the mechs that are currently in game to boat such energy weapons in the CT specially clan side. Plasma Cannons did exist in the Mechwarrior Universe. People want a Cannon MW game and this is the closet they'll ever get to it, but its never going to be fully cannon why? Cause they dont listen to the fanbase who has dropped over 100 dollars into the game. I'd take a screenshot of MW4 but its not working properly.

-ahem-

MechWarrior 4: Vengeance (the first MW4 game)

• Argus
  
• Atlas
  
• Awesome
  
• Cougar
  
• Daishi
  
• Raven
  
• Osiris
  
• Bushwacker
  
• Chimera
  
• Hellspawn
  
• Shadow Cat
  
• Uziel
  
• Catapult
  
• Loki
  
• Mad Cat
  
• Nova Cat
  
• Thanatos
  
• Thor
  
• Vulture
  
• Mad Cat Mk II
  
• Mauler

MechWarrior 4: Clan 'Mech Pak (can be applied to MW4: Vengence, MW4: Black Knight, MW4: Mercinaries)

• Arctic Wolf
  
• Cauldron-Born
  
• Kodiak
  
• Masakari

MechWarrior 4: IS 'Mech Pak (can be applied to MW4: Vengence, MW4: Black Knight, MW4: Mercinaries)

• Dragon
  
• Highlander
  
• Hunchback
  
• Zeus

MechWarrior 4: Black Knight Expansion Pack (expansion pack, adding new campaign to MW4: Vengeance, all MW4 : Vengeance mechs are in MW4: Black Knight Expansion)

• Uller
  
• Wolfhound
  
• Ryoken
  
• Black Knight
  
• Sunder

MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries (the last MW4 game. it has all the 'Mechs listed above excluding the Mech Packs, which you need to buy to access those mechs in MW4: M)

• Adder (puma)
  
• Executioner (Gladiator)
  
• Fafnir
  
• Flea
  
• Hauptmann
  
• Hellhound
  
• Longbow
  
• Owens
  
• Templar
  
• Victor

Why did I post this huge list? Because all other 'Mechs that are added are not vanilla. Your Marauder and Marauder II has no claims on being right/ wrong as it isn't even part of the vanilla game. There is a mod out there that lets you have a Catapult with with 10 machine gun arrays in each ear and a pair of AC 5's in the CT in MW4. Now, MekTek did make some designs that were canonised. Such as the Deimos- originalyl a made up mech that basically got a 1:1 translate into a canon design with very minour differencess


However the models through out MW4 are not strictly canon, obvious on hellhound
Tell me how this


to this


MW4 designs are not strictly the best designs or most lore friendly, and Mektek by extension isn't either. However most of Mekteks art is done by the original TRO artwork- hence why the Centurion looks like the slenderman with a mohawk or why the Trebuchet looks like some guy who thinks buckets everywhere is a good armour.


Also,on the point of clans and ER PPC's with the CT, in this case yes. However they can't fit an LBX 10 there, or an ATM 12...
or a HAG 40... or a HAG 20... or HAG 30...
Or if you do not accept the canon variants for where the gun should be due to the MW: o custom variants:
You can't fit an LBX 5 in the CT, or two streak 6's...

The reason the ER PPC is in the side torso is the same why the hunchback doesn't have an AC 10 in the arm, the AC 20 hunchback can't fit an AC 20 in the arm but the AC 10 can.

Edited by Odanan, 06 August 2016 - 10:29 PM.
Quote clean-up

[Sun-Tzu Liao]

ChapeL, on 05 August 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

Then there's the free Decal for ... Clan Star Adder ?? ( Where are the Nova Cats, Steel Vipers and Diamond Sharks ? )

AngrySpartan, on 05 August 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Nova Cat decals???) Yum...
No, I should behave till there will be new gameplay content...but NovaCats!

Tundra Wolf, on 05 August 2016 - 12:22 PM, said:

I am guessing the hero is a Star Adder warrior by the Clan Star Adder decal included in the the early adopter rewards.

Most of the variants in the BT Universe suggest that CSA fielded the most, hence the inclusion of the Star Adder decal which seems appropriate.