36 replies to this topic

[Mazzyplz]

the heat scale system coming up is more intuitive but works in a similar way to ghost heat as it is present in the game now.

your weapons have a heat that they produce - and if you go over that magical number in this case 30 damage (in ghost heat case it depends on the weapon, lets say 3 ppc cause ppc is 10 dmg)
you say OH NOES I WENT OVER TEH MAGICAL RANDOM NUMBAR
and the heat comes out of nowhere and overheats you and you EXPLODE.

but here's my question - why do we not use this opportunity to balance weapons' heat by damage so that 30 damage of all weapons look alike!!!

instead of magical barriers, why not change the heat so that:

3 ppc damage = SOME HEAT
2x gauss = the same ammount of heat!
6 medlas = the same ammount of heat!


and just balance the BASE heat of the weapons like this again. into a new weapons heat scale
that actually MAKES SENSE.

it doesn't matter that these weapons are best at different ranges, lets make them pay the same heat for the same damage! (except for ER weapons)

cause lets be honest the cooldown for the different weapons is already different according to their range, and your positioning has to be different also. let's get rid of these magic barrier heat spikes

[SilentWolff]

Cmon man, this is PGI. What could possibly go wrong.

[Mister Blastman]

So much worry about the toys being taken away... I find all the crying amusing.

[FupDup]

Mister Blastman, on 10 August 2016 - 07:35 PM, said:

So much worry about the toys being taken away... I find all the crying amusing.

The issue is that the toys are going to be replaced with other, better toys, just like the first wave of Spooky Heat™.

[Mazzyplz]

Mister Blastman, on 10 August 2016 - 07:35 PM, said:

So much worry about the toys being taken away... I find all the crying amusing.

did you even read a SINGLE word?

looks like you thought the title was something it's not.
lmfao!!!

never did i bring up a single mech. i said take the new system and make it not about an arbitrary number you must remember while you play -

just make weapons FOLLOW that arbitrary number as baseline.

so that 10x small pulses would be the same heat as 6x med and 3xppc.
it's enough with their different usage and feel and cooldown that heat can be similar or the same.

it gives the same effect as heat spike in ghost heat or power draw. except there's no spike.
and no arbitrary number to remember.
it just works.
it's more elegant.

Edited by Mazzyplz, 10 August 2016 - 07:58 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Works similar to ghost heat? where did you hear that. People keep repeating it but nowhere is that substantiated

[xengk]

Is the office command post on energy draw been posted somewhere?
I can't find it.

[BLOOD WOLF]

xengk, on 10 August 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

Is the office command post on energy draw been posted somewhere?
I can't find it.

no there hasnt been a sing word on it yet.

Might as well call this the Sandpit effect. making a thread about something and drawing definite conclusions about an item we have no good info to go off on.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mister Blastman, on 10 August 2016 - 07:35 PM, said:

So much worry about the toys being taken away... I find all the crying amusing.

God forbid we have balance right?

To hell with balance, just make sure laser boats are useless, it'll be great for the game

And uh, the only "toy" im worried about is the Executioner. I know, such a meta ***** I am.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 10 August 2016 - 08:09 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

power draw is based on 30 damage starts a spike.

similar to how going over a number of arbitrary weapons is bad right now.
that's what we know about it from what i heard

we shouldn't have a spike system.

we should have a linear heat scale

Edited by Mazzyplz, 10 August 2016 - 08:05 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

So OP, I don't know if thats a great idea. There are other factors with all of those weapons, so giving them all equal heat per damage wouldn't be balanced.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mazzyplz, on 10 August 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

power draw is based on 30 damage starts a spike.

similar to how going over a number of arbitrary weapons is bad right now.
that's what we know about it from what i heard

we shouldn't have a spike system.

we should have a linear heat scale

Whooa, please correct me if am wrong but I saw the guy who made that chart. Thats not stated by Russ or anybody else

[Mazzyplz]

http://mwomercs.com/...w-it-will-work/

there's a tweet by russ to gas guzzler claiming it's 30 damage heat spike then test from there.

in the first post.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mazzyplz, on 10 August 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...w-it-will-work/

there's a tweet by russ to gas guzzler claiming it's 30 damage heat spike then test from there.

in the first post.

cool, I remember now.

[El Bandito]

Mazzyplz, on 10 August 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

the heat scale system coming up is more intuitive but works in a similar way to ghost heat as it is present in the game now.

your weapons have a heat that they produce - and if you go over that magical number in this case 30 damage (in ghost heat case it depends on the weapon, lets say 3 ppc cause ppc is 10 dmg)
you say OH NOES I WENT OVER TEH MAGICAL RANDOM NUMBAR
and the heat comes out of nowhere and overheats you and you EXPLODE.

I keep seeing this magical number of 30. Did Russ personally confirm this?

[Mazzyplz]

El Bandito, on 10 August 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

I keep seeing this magical number of 30. Did Russ personally confirm this?

https://twitter.com/...606128538783745

he confirmed it would be an initial value

to be tweaked.

[Navid A1]

Bad idea OP.

So throw away range, rate of fire, type of fire, ammo, etc, etc?

Boy, sometimes I'm glad PGI does not listen to the community.

[El Bandito]

Mazzyplz, on 10 August 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/...606128538783745

he confirmed it would be an initial value

to be tweaked.

PTS is gonna be fun then. Assuming people would actually DL it and play on it, instead of forum-warrioring.

[Mazzyplz]

yes.

throw it away.

people say ugh the gauss and ac20 use ammo! the ppc is SO CONVENIENT!

but no.

energy weapons max damage is 11, ballistics go up to 20 damage. i think that's enough to pay for the ammo usage right there.

as for ac5 and medlas the rate of fire is faster and i think that's pretty good. but if not that can be tweaked.

rate of fire can be balanced to range.

it's a case of too many cooks in the kitchen we got here except in the form of variables - right now.

Edited by Mazzyplz, 10 August 2016 - 08:37 PM.

[Navid A1]

Mazzyplz, on 10 August 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:

yes.

throw it away.

people say ugh the gauss and ac20 use ammo! the ppc is SO CONVENIENT!

but no.

energy weapons max damage is 11, ballistics go up to 20 damage. i think that's enough to pay for the ammo usage right there.

as for ac5 and medlas the rate of fire is faster and i think that's pretty good. but if not that can be tweaked.

rate of fire can be balanced to range.

it's a case of too many cooks in the kitchen we got here except in the form of variables - right now.

Sorry man.. its all in your head. You are so far away from reality.

Are you actually using TT range values as justification?... you think anyone would waste a precious AC20 rounds to toss it down the range for 3 damage?

El Bandito, on 10 August 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

PTS is gonna be fun then. Assuming people would actually DL it and play on it, instead of forum-warrioring.

You can be sure that i will test the crap out of it.

It has potential... I will actually try giving russ feedback for one last time.