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[Mcgral18]

The Nerf Bat, on 30 August 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

PGI's game of chase the meta via quirks/nerfs. Hellbringers time in the sun has come and gone.

Hellbringers downfall: The gauss nerf

I'd say more the ERMLs


Gauss still works fine, but the range nerf ganked GaussVomit

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

nehebkau, on 30 August 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Hellbringer would be better served by letting us use ENDO on it. #FREETHEHELLBRINGER

Hell offer us a hero version with endo unlocked -- that would get PGI some $$

Ya would be nice but in the BT Universe, the Hellbringer doesnt have ES/FF, in fact it only had 128 armor factor! What most players did was construct a Hellbringer II incorporating ES/FF to max out the armor. However, it left just about the same omnipod space as the original.

I can agree it does need a Champ/Hero build.

[LowSubmarino]

Hellbringer is an excellent Mech.

I ran a modified gauss/medlaser build for an eternity.

Awesome mech.

Why would you give such a mech quirks?

Dosnt make any sense.

[Mcgral18]

Elizavitka Kerensky, on 30 August 2016 - 10:49 AM, said:

I can agree it does need a Champ/Hero build.

Which would be no different to an (I) version, locked no Endo/Ferro


OmniRobots, they follow OmniRules

[Yosharian]

Running my Gauss/ERML Hellbie frequently feels like cheating. Haven't dropped in it in a while cos I prefer the fast drops of the medium/light queue.

[Metus regem]

Dakota1000, on 30 August 2016 - 04:07 AM, said:

More like the best Clan mechs? It is one of them. If anything its easily on par with the Ebon Jaguar, I'd rate it better personally. It has better hitboxes than an EBJ, hardpoints aren't as spread out, has ECM, has more free slots, main disadvantage is it has 5 tons less free tonnage. I also prefer its specialization with ECM and hitboxes over the more general purpose nature of the Timber Wolf, though that's preference.

Yea, since the Ebon Jag got in, I've more or less considered it a side grade to the Hellbringer as well as oddly enough a side grade to the mighty Timber Wolf too.. all three are top shelf with out a doubt. So it is hard to really tell what one is truly better than the rest, I'd say the Timber Wolf, only slightly. That's due to the extra 10t of weight giving it slightly more armour, as well as the A-pod side torso with the over the shoulder high mount lasers.

[RestosIII]

Dakota1000, on 30 August 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

Most of the clan mechs that preform well don't have quirks, mostly because quirks are supposed to be to help underpreforming mechs, at least originally. Now a days they seem to be thrown on just about anything, examples being Kodiak getting quirks while the Dire Wolf still has none.

You'll probably not see quirks on the Stormcrow, Hellbringer, Timber Wolf, or Ebon Jaguar. Infact Stormcrows had negative quirks originally, and Timber Wolf still has a few.

Thing is the Hellbringer is fine without quirks. It would be stronger with quirks, but to be honest it doesn't actually need to be stronger, its good enough. If we could just normalize all mechs so they are good enough and just that things would be pretty nice.

Only Hellbringer I could see MAYBE needing quirks is the HBR-F we're going to get in October. And I say that with a huge bias because I'm planning on running that thing superstock when it comes out, which will be the end of me due to it not having enough tonnage for its weapon loadout.

[Sable]

the only quirks the Hellbringer needs is some structure quirks. It has the same structure as a blackjack. It has a little bit more armor but dang.. you get picked a part in it so easily

[Zolaz]

I like running my 3 Hellbringers in FP when dropping with KCom. Unless I am first in the charge, there are so many other scarier targets than me.

[N0ni]

Hellbringer with 8 MLs (because the F's RT adds another energy point) and 28 double sinks lets go bois!

[Paigan]

Elizavitka Kerensky, on 29 August 2016 - 11:28 PM, said:

I just noticed that the Hellbringer has absolutely no quirks! I love the Hellbringer! Will it not get any love? Would love to see PPC/Laser quirks along with an electronics package quirk.

Quirks are not some upgrades you can enhance a Mech with like in a single player game or so.
They are a balancing tool.

Normally, there would not be any quirks.
But as some Mechs are worse than others (e.g. because of hardpoint location or shape), they need to get a little "special" something to catch up. Hence the term "quirks" (character, specialty, etc.)

This means that the Mechs that are already good in the first place (e.g. by having a brokenly implemented Angel ECM relabelled as a simple guardian ECM and/or having good hardpoint locations) don't need quirks and won't get quirks.

I think the HBR is pretty good. Still is. And with the upcoming RT, it will be much less LT-loss-prone than it is now.

Edited by Paigan, 31 August 2016 - 05:53 AM.

[LORD ORION]

Hellbringer is a bad mech

It needs ER medium laser range quirk and Large Pulse cooldown quirk

Thanks...

Edited by LORD ORION, 31 August 2016 - 06:07 AM.

[SneekiBreeki]

As a longtime dedicated Hellbie pilot (been piloting them since their C-Bills release <3) i have to say that it doesn't need any relevant buff atm, altough i would love to see it getting it's pre-nerf agility back...

Edited by TimberWolf87, 31 August 2016 - 06:41 AM.

[LowSubmarino]

Yosharian, on 30 August 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

Running my Gauss/ERML Hellbie frequently feels like cheating. Haven't dropped in it in a while cos I prefer the fast drops of the medium/light queue.

Haha yeah....its ridiculously strong.

And fun too.

And just like u i run mediums mostly. Wait times significantly reduced and theres some awesoem mediums around ^^

But the hellbringer is fantastic. Should run it again. And i just might next drop ^=)

[Methanoid]

thought i'd necro this, but why shouldnt the hellbringer and idd other clan mechs not have varied quirks/equipment enhancements, isnt it defeating the point of having omnipods in the first place, a lot of the hellbringer pods are identical, why have 4 sets of identical legs, 2 identical right arms, 2 identical right torso's, 2 identical left torso's, 2 identical heads. A few other mechs are even worse than that.

[Mcgral18]

Mcgral18, on 30 August 2016 - 10:46 AM, said:

I'd say more the ERMLs


Gauss still works fine, but the range nerf ganked GaussVomit

...they removed the Range nerf


It was never bad, and it got a fair buff...
We'll see how it works out.

[Jack Booted Thug]

The Nerf Bat, on 30 August 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

PGI's game of chase the meta via quirks/nerfs. Hellbringers time in the sun has come and gone.

Hellbringers downfall: The gauss nerf

Gaus nerf AND medium laser nerf

[El Bandito]

Mcgral18, on 15 July 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

...they removed the Range nerf

It was never bad, and it got a fair buff...
We'll see how it works out.

Don't forget the HBR-P that is available for C-Bills straight away in July 18th. You can put a total of six high energy mounts on it, and it is gonna kick even more ***.

[Cy Mitchell]

El Bandito, on 15 July 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Don't forget the HBR-P that is available for C-Bills straight away in July 18th. You can put a total of six high energy mounts on it, and it is gonna kick even more ***.

I believe the Hellbringer Hero and the HBR-P are both coming out Aug 20th not July 18th.

[El Bandito]

Rampage, on 15 July 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

I believe the Hellbringer Hero and the HBR-P are both coming out Aug 20th not July 18th.

You are correct. One more month to go then.