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[Yanlowen Cage]

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

[Plastic Guru]

Lag?
Seen something similar in many online games. Guy runs into room and immediately turns and shoots me. Torpedo fired at extreme range but are *exactly* where I was cruising.

Heck...playing HPG and suffered stutter..and a mech just appears out of nowhere in front of me. (He'd actually dropped down but my stutter missed that).

Plastic Guru

[FrozenAnt]

Sometimes at the start of the match I'll fire random shots at the other edge of the map, doing exactly what you described. JJ, aim somewhere and shoot. 1/10,000 it might hit something

[knight-of-ni]

One can only speculate.
I know I've taken and received shots just like that. Every now and then I hit something real good.

I can recall an instance while in a dual guass cataphract, I one-shotted a spider the very moment he popped over the ridge. The guy responded "wut" as if he couldn't believe it happened.

On the other hand, I was head shotted once while pop tarting in my Blackjack. It was from the now infamous dual ppc/gauss combo, but before they were desynced.

Edited by knnniggett, 07 September 2016 - 10:06 AM.

[KHETTI]

Hey OP, what you describe doesn't necessarily mean someone is cheating, a good player will acquire targets without the use of their targeting computer, and they will know where to look at the beginning of a match, ie where the enemy spawn is relative to their own spawn, and player habits on maps, where players tend to go.
As for gunnery skills, its not difficult to hit stationary targets with cERPPC's, hell its not difficult to hit moving targets with cERPPC's even at extreme ranges.

Also consider that he got lucky and actually spotted you moving into that position, took at potshot and hit the mark.
Standing stationary and zoomed in, is tunnel visioning, and is bad in a lot of cases, you should be finding targets without adv zoom, and using adv zoom for fine tuning your aim at extreme ranges, personally i don't use that module as i feel it has to many draw backs.

[Blue Boutique]

JumpJets don't move a mech vertical very fast so he had time to zero you with his low slung arms.

[Big Tin Man]

Back in my call of duty days, upon start of a match there were certain points to rush and blindly throw a grenade. No contact, no idea if anyone was there, but it was the usual rush spot and would typically net 1-4 kills. Without seeing anything, just knowing the map.

I'm guessing the offending sniper came up right around C4 on that ridge, and you were hiding around the D4/E5 or D5 mountain? That is where first contact ALWAYS happens. Old map and old tactics are old.

TL:DR--you thought you were sneaky on Canyon (the map everyone has been focused on because of the tournament). You weren't. In fact, you were completely predictable.

[Metus regem]

Yanlowen Cage, on 07 September 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

Everything that Khetti said, as well as this...

ECM =/= invisibility

On Canyon as you mentioned most mechs stick out like sore thumbs, unless the pilot has taken a lot of time to camo their mech out in dark reds and browns. As most pilots I've seen tend to use very loud in your face colours, it's not hard to pick them out on a map.

[Johnny Z]

If what the topic is saying is true then it was an aim bot. I can go on and on about what I have seen in the last few days.

So funny that when the greifers cant synch drop because of higher player numbers they turn to using cheat programs to greif.

So obvious.

Whats even funnier is their public calls to do away with the match maker.

I expect quite a few to get banned from cheating going on during this event.

Last thing to the topic, if you had been moving anything outside 500 meters he could never hit you ever with those ppc's, which is why they cry for projectile speed increases none stop. The stupid cheat couldn't resist going for a stopped light target is what happened there.

How ever you cant be 100% sure he was botting. If you are moving and torso twisting then you can tell, because then he is hitting you ct where you were.... rather than where you are, a few times like that and a player can tell 100% if hes botting.

Edited by Johnny Z, 07 September 2016 - 11:07 AM.

[N0ni]

Pretty much the same concept as if an ECM Raven or Spider goes up the wall on HPG. I can see if you go up there without the use of a red targeting square or any of the vision modes, you're going to receive dual gauss/ppc if you stand still and it's most likely going to your ST for that insta-kill.

In regards to Canyon, it's easy to make out mechs from a distance... no matter how much of a sliver is shown. It also helps having map knowledge of all the spawn points for those '10 seconds into the match' free damage.

[dervishx5]

Occam's Razor: everyone is cheating besides Johnny Z. Can someone please get this man some cheats already?

[Johnny Z]

dervishx5, on 07 September 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Occam's Razor: everyone is cheating besides Johnny Z. Can someone please get this man some cheats already?

So funny the legit player gets trolled.

[dervishx5]

Johnny Z, on 07 September 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

So funny the legit player gets trolled.

How many n00b$ do you pawn on the map Dust, which you love?

[Johnny Z]

dervishx5, on 07 September 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

How many n00b$ do you pawn on the map Dust, which you love?

You know how often I lose a match without cheats being involved? Very rarely. Reminds me of my days playing hockey, didn't lose a game all season. The team above me couldn't win a game so I was playing for both teams and not practicing. Some parents got all mad about it to. Not easy being good, what can I say. The house league players liked me even less.

As I got older I started getting a lot of dirty hits. Guys would step on the ice and charge me from half way across the ice. One time I got a late pass from one guy during a try out, not even a game, and another guy his friend lined me up and nearly knocked me out. Gets even worse the older a person gets in some ways. Racism and all that.

Not that bad, the goal tender who looked a lot like me got his jaw broken by a team mate during practice, was eating through a straw for a few months. Of course he couldn't be the goal tender anymore either so he had to go to game and after game all dressed up and spectate.

Edited by Johnny Z, 07 September 2016 - 11:28 AM.

[Plastic Guru]

Big Tin Man, on 07 September 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Back in my call of duty days, upon start of a match there were certain points to rush and blindly throw a grenade. No contact, no idea if anyone was there, but it was the usual rush spot and would typically net 1-4 kills. Without seeing anything, just knowing the map.

I'm guessing the offending sniper came up right around C4 on that ridge, and you were hiding around the D4/E5 or D5 mountain? That is where first contact ALWAYS happens. Old map and old tactics are old.

TL:DR--you thought you were sneaky on Canyon (the map everyone has been focused on because of the tournament). You weren't. In fact, you were completely predictable.

Yeah...I've gotten many tomahawk kills in COD as soon as the match started. You knew exactly where the spawns were (generally) so you just had to get the angle down...Happens a LOT.
God I love it when a 10 year old describes how he's going to A) Kill you and your family. B ) Report you. C) Hack your console. D) Screams obscenities and cries at same time for killing him in the first 3 seconds. <sniff> Sometimes I do miss COD.

Plastic Guru

Edited by Plastic Guru, 07 September 2016 - 11:20 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Good pilots will be good pilots.

The guass mechanic was added to try to stop pop tarting it failed badly, because good pilots could still charge up while jumping,spot their targets and hit it.

Which is why MWO jump jets are the worse in any Mech game ever created.

So the only person here smelling fish is you I'm afraid

[mogs01gt]

Yanlowen Cage, on 07 September 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

Yeah, that is fishy. I'd report that player. A lot of forum trolls on here will say people are that good but in reality, you cant hit something you cant see.

The other option is PGI ****** coding ability and the Thor saw you through the mountains. However since your CT was behind a wall, it shouldnt have hit you.

Edited by mogs01gt, 07 September 2016 - 11:27 AM.

[KHETTI]

mogs01gt, on 07 September 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

Yeah, that is fishy. I'd report that player. A lot of forum trolls on here will say people are that good but in reality, you cant hit something you cant see.

The other option is PGI ****** coding ability and the Thor saw you through the mountains. However since your CT was behind a wall, it shouldnt have hit you.

1. He can't report the player without atleast video evidence.
2. He said himself he was only partially in cover , so yes he was visible(no offence OP but i'm betting you were out in the open in full view and stationary).
3. Yes some players really are that good and whole lot more, i can do what the OP described easily so.....

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Johnny Z, on 07 September 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

You know how often I lose a match without cheats being involved? Very rarely.

This is more of a sign that you blame losses on cheats (which are more than likely imaginary cheats) rather than your own ineptitude.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 07 September 2016 - 12:27 PM.

[Deathlike]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 September 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

This is more of a sign that you blame losses on cheats (which are more than likely imaginary cheats) rather than your own ineptitude.

It's hard to know what "good" is when you don't know what it is.