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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

I used to use for throttle w at 100%, then SOMETHING for S, it let the mech stop but also was able to reverse, any idea what I was using? My settings got defaulted somehow

[Bohxim]

Try checking the settings for throttle decay. Reverse that setting and see if it works as you want

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yeah I just figured it out

w 100%, s throttle down, decay on

[Wintersdark]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 10 September 2016 - 06:47 AM, said:

Yeah I just figured it out

w 100%, s throttle down, decay on

That's an interesting approach.

I just use w/s as throttle up/down with decay on, and 1/2/3 as 30/70/100% throttle (locked), left alt as invert throttle. Mostly because if you don't have W going throttle up+decay/100%, you can't accelerate as fast with quick mechs. That's an intriguing workaround.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

you can't accelerate as fast with quick mechs. That's an intriguing workaround.

Yeah see, I play almost entirely heavies and assault, so quick mechs arent really my forte other than the 91kph Firebrand I have

[Wintersdark]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 10 September 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

Yeah see, I play almost entirely heavies and assault, so quick mechs arent really my forte other than the 91kph Firebrand I have

I mean your setup allows lights to accelerate fast, but doesn't require additional keybinds like mine does to lock throttle at 100%.

Your setup, then, is a good workaround to get the most out of fast mechs, even if you're not doing that yourself

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

I mean your setup allows lights to accelerate fast, but doesn't require additional keybinds like mine does to lock throttle at 100%.

Your setup, then, is a good workaround to get the most out of fast mechs, even if you're not doing that yourself

TECHNICALLY its not "my" setup as I got it from someone in CB but Ive been using it so long I dont remember who

[Idealsuspect]

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 08:20 AM, said:

if you don't have W going throttle up+decay/100%, you can't accelerate as fast with quick mechs. That's an intriguing workaround.

Me i use "step throttle up" ( decay or not ) since beginning i don't see any difference about acceleration time to full speed with my pirate bane than throttle up+decay/100%...


When i use my logitech software for measure pressing key time, i get 1,2x second from 0 kph to 165,4 kph in both case as result.

Test with mastered pirate bane max engine:

Edit : to 100% speed...

But "step throttle up" give some advantages like keep going at speed you did choose without press the key anymore ( typing allowed for example ) and capability to use any x0% (10%,20%, ... 90%,100% ) speed of your mech with same key.


What you think about this i am wrong about my measures or ???

Edited by Idealsuspect, 10 September 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Idealsuspect, on 10 September 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

Me i use "step throttle up" ( decay or not ) since beginning i don't see any difference about acceleration time to full speed with my pirate bane than throttle up+decay/100%...


When i use my logitech software for measure pressing key time, i get 1,2x second from 0 kph to 165,4 kph in both case as result.

Test with mastered pirate bane max engine:

Edit : to 100% speed...

But "step throttle up" give some advantages like keep going at speed you did choose without press the key anymore ( typing allowed for example ) and capability to use any x0% (10%,20%, ... 90%,100% ) speed of your mech with same key.


What you think about this i am wrong about my measures or ???

Using the normal "throttle up" button will cause your mech to accelerate slower than just hitting 100% throttle; this is because fast accelerating mechs accelerate faster than the step throttle up button moves your throttle point upwards. Basically any quick light will hit 100% throttle quicker that way.

I also use the up and down arrow keys for step throttle up and down, so I can fine tune without throttle decay kicking in, but in my experience my 1/2/3 keys at 30/70/100% are all I ever need to use to get locked throttle at a specific speed. Differences of a couple KPH really don't matter to me at all; I won't get ahead of a pack (I'll just weave and play around a bit more if I'm moving a smidge too fast) and I won't fall behind (only really relevant in long FP trudges) because then I'd just speed up or move more efficiently.

Not saying anything is better or worse, mind you. Just the MWB's setup above was an interesting way around things, as the standard throttle decay setup (with normal W/S) means you stop as soon as you take your finger off W, which is kind of annoying at times - that's why I've got the 100% setpoint hotkeyed to 3. I never really thought of just binding W to 100%; it's weirdly obvious and I feel kind of silly for not thinking of it. But now I'm used to the way it is, so I'm not going to change it

[Wintersdark]

To see this in action, get into a mastered locust with regular +/- throttle keys, and w/s for default forward and back, and throttle decay on; test on flat open ground (roads in RC, for example). I did this right now in the testing grounds.

If you go full reverse with numpad - (default -throttle key), then go to +100% throttle with numpad + (default +throttle key) you'll note that your current speed and the setpoint speed are actually the same for 2/3'rds of the process, with the setpoint only going beyond the current speed for the last third of the gauge.

While the current speed = setpoint speed, your acceleration is being capped a bit.

Now do the same with W/S and throttle decay. Going 100% backwards, hit W. Throttle goes to 100% instantly, and thus there's not capping of acceleration by current speed=setpoint speed which otherwise happens around -30 to +60% throttle when using +/- (or, alternatively, throttle decay off W/S)

Of course, you can acheive this by having +/- 100% throttle bound to something and throttle decay off too, but if you're tearassing around in a Locust, you're probably better off having W and S bound to +100% and -100% to ensure maximum acceleration. But then, I don't spend a lot of time in lights either.

[Idealsuspect]

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 09:51 AM, said:

To see this in action, get into a mastered locust with regular +/- throttle keys, and w/s for default forward and back, and throttle decay on; test on flat open ground (roads in RC, for example). I did this right now in the testing grounds.

If you go full reverse with numpad - (default -throttle key), then go to +100% throttle with numpad + (default +throttle key) you'll note that your current speed and the setpoint speed are actually the same for 2/3'rds of the process, with the setpoint only going beyond the current speed for the last third of the gauge.

While the current speed = setpoint speed, your acceleration is being capped a bit.

Huum yea its perceptible i got what you mean ty for infos ^^

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

I also use the up and down arrow keys for step throttle up and down, so I can fine tune without throttle decay kicking in, but in my experience my 1/2/3 keys at 30/70/100% are all I ever need to use to get locked throttle at a specific speed.

Yea i play like this with step throttle up and down.
Unfortunatly for 1/2/3 keys i don't have enought keys i play with arrows, right side of keyboard like lots of old europeans players i guess xD

Edited by Idealsuspect, 10 September 2016 - 11:57 AM.

[Davegt27]

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When i use my logitech software for measure pressing key time, i get 1,2x second from 0 kph to 165,4 kph in both case as result.

your Logitech software measures key pressing time?
what else does it do?
sounds interesting

I was checking out protons twitch channel one time and saw he made custom key boards
that got me scratching my head---why would you build a custom key boards??
seems to me a custom mouse is what you need

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Wintersdark, on 10 September 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Just the MWB's setup above was an interesting way around things, as the standard throttle decay setup (with normal W/S) means you stop as soon as you take your finger off W, which is kind of annoying at times -

ya i like typing AND moving