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#21 Mystere

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 07:53 PM

View PostStaggerCheck, on 13 September 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

Some of you are being needlessly harsh to the OP. Having an idea that doesn't conform to what you think works doesn't make the person suggesting it 'stupid' or a bad player. I can see where he is going with his idea... if they can limit three plus Gauss Rifle being fired simultaneously, they can do all kinds of things. Forced chain fire of all weapons within a weapon group, while also preventing two weapons firing at the same exact moment. That could be workable if the forced chain fire mechanic was a short interval. It would increase face-time, spread damage out a little more and prevent the game from being a one-button-click-fest. Is it perfect? No... but it is an idea that could be workable with some tinkering.

View PostStaggerCheck, on 13 September 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

I've played plenty, and I cannot help but notice that being able to focus 50+ damage into one alpha strike does indeed have a 'twitch shooter' feel to it when it can kill off lighter Mechs in one shot. Perhaps my definition of twitch shooter and yours differ.


Instead of needlessly messing with firing rates and weapon groups, why not just fix convergence?

Edited by Mystere, 13 September 2016 - 07:56 PM.


#22 Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 09:52 PM

View PostMystere, on 13 September 2016 - 07:53 PM, said:


Instead of needlessly messing with firing rates and weapon groups, why not just fix convergence?


Why don't we just increase the maneuverability on all the mechs so that hitting people is harder? We could have a mechwarrior game just like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjKJW2D-vSU

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Edited by Dakota1000, 13 September 2016 - 09:53 PM.


#23 Imperius

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:09 PM

View PostBoogie138, on 13 September 2016 - 07:02 PM, said:

When are people going to just admit that bad players are just that: bad.

Go ahead and blame whatever you want.
The meta min-maxers are going to stomp you no matter what.


Careful that's common sense you're posting on these forums.


As for this joke of a topic

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#24 RestosIII

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:18 PM

View PostImperius, on 13 September 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:


Careful that's common sense you're posting on these forums.


As for this joke of a topic

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I may not be here all the time, but I aim to be the resident memelord. It will be tough, but I must respond to every opponent with an equivalent or better gif. May God save my soul.

But yeah, when I saw this thread posted earlier today, I laughed for a good 10 minutes straight.

Edited by RestosIII, 13 September 2016 - 10:21 PM.


#25 Imperius

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:37 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 13 September 2016 - 10:18 PM, said:

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I may not be here all the time, but I aim to be the resident memelord. It will be tough, but I must respond to every opponent with an equivalent or better gif. May God save my soul.

But yeah, when I saw this thread posted earlier today, I laughed for a good 10 minutes straight.

Dunno I watch quite a bit of anime and have been a troll before I was even a man :P

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#26 RestosIII

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:43 PM

View PostImperius, on 13 September 2016 - 10:37 PM, said:

Dunno I watch quite a bit of anime and have been a troll before I was even a man :P

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You DARE to attempt using a Toradora! gif on me?
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You poor fool! Do not attempt to fight a man on his home turf. It will not end well.

#27 Imperius

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 10:51 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 13 September 2016 - 10:43 PM, said:

You DARE to attempt using a Toradora! gif on me?
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You poor fool! Do not attempt to fight a man on his home turf. It will not end well.


Looking like that gets you the special move

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Edited by Imperius, 13 September 2016 - 10:51 PM.


#28 RestosIII

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:04 PM

View PostImperius, on 13 September 2016 - 10:51 PM, said:


Looking like that gets you the special move

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Now stop posting so I can get some sleep. It's 3 AM and I need sleep. Plus posting gifs with a phone is a pain, due to my gifs being on sites the forum doesn't accept, and thus I have to replace them for every post.

#29 Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:15 PM

So if i cant fire multiple weapons in a weapon group without them chainfiring...

Can i fire multiple weapon groups simultaneously?

Maybe... Fire all weapon groups 1-6 all at once?

#30 Imperius

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:34 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 13 September 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

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Now stop posting so I can get some sleep. It's 3 AM and I need sleep. Plus posting gifs with a phone is a pain, due to my gifs being on sites the forum doesn't accept, and thus I have to replace them for every post.

I'm on a phone too lol the game is just getting good (Watching D. Gray Man
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#31 RestosIII

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:47 PM

View PostImperius, on 13 September 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

I'm on a phone too lol the game is just getting good (Watching D. Gray Man
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I was about to fall asleep when I suddenly had an urge to check one last time. If you do not stand down, I will continue once I am awake again. But until then, I'll be asleep in around 5 seconds.

Edit: As soon as I posted, my gif had a complete breakdown and I had to reupload it. Now I'm asleep.

Edited by RestosIII, 13 September 2016 - 11:52 PM.


#32 Imperius

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:51 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 13 September 2016 - 11:47 PM, said:

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I was about to fall asleep when I suddenly had an urge to check one last time. If you do not stand down, I will continue once I am awake again. But until then, I'll be asleep in around 5 seconds.


Night night I'll take on the Stars while you sleep
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#33 dervishx5

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Posted 13 September 2016 - 11:56 PM

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#34 Imperius

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 12:28 AM

View Postdervishx5, on 13 September 2016 - 11:56 PM, said:

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#35 Ace Selin

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 01:04 AM

Perhaps we should stop shooting all together and we can all just look at each others pretty mechs?

#36 Kasumi Sumika

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 02:09 AM

Holy Funky Kerensky on Roller Skates...

#37 Dogstar

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 02:26 AM

The OP's idea would help reduce the ridiculous small laser spamboats as it would encourage fewer, heavier weapons. Only problem is that there are no heavy energy weapons like twin/triple/quad lasers.

#38 Bud Crue

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 02:55 AM

Geezus.

PGI makes stupid changes to the game, on a near weekly basis and the white knights come out of the woodwork to mechsplain how those of us complaining are too stupid to recognize the pure genius of PGI's latest boondoggle.

The OP throws out an equally unworkable and lore breaking concept and you all make out like he/she is the dumbest/worst person who ever walked the earth.

Dang. Collectively speaking: Lighten up Francis.

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 03:38 AM

OP, I respect where you're coming from, and I think the goal you describe (improve differentiation from generic FPS's) is a good one.

Ultimately this is bound to be difficult: because this is an FPS, and people revert to a generic FPS playstyle because it works here too. So you get faster-than-lore one-button boats which release maximum damage with minimum exposure, however boring and repetitive that gets.

I dislike outright banning group fire because it feels like a contrived limitation. Overall I like where the current PTS run is going, in penalizing massive alphas more. In effect, in the PTS a massive, sudden draw of energy overwhelms heat management and you get extra heat. Also they finally take down the massive heat caps. There are lots of parameters there which can be fine-tuned, but I like the general idea, and I think it'll be better than what we have now.

Also, imagine some poor Nova / Dire Wolf with a ridiculous number of weapons (what do they have, 16?), if group fire was banned. Posted Image

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Posted 14 September 2016 - 03:41 AM

View PostAce Selin, on 14 September 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

Perhaps we should stop shooting all together and we can all just look at each others pretty mechs?


Wait, isn't this what the forum warriors already do? Posted Image





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