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[Gas Guzzler]

Nightnova, on 29 September 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

I love the lack of ECM we're getting on clan side.

I've tried to lobby for the ECM Kingfisher but it isn't power creepy enough to appease the masses.

That said, ECM omnipods for Clan mechs that can only be obtained for real money is NOT what we need. And really, ECM isn't that useful. I rarely consider it nowadays when I'm selecting which mech to use.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 30 September 2016 - 06:14 AM.

[Kylere]

I heard the clan mech heroes showed up last night while playing. I alt tabbed out as I grabbed my credit card to buy the TBR hero.

What? pre-order? November? I may not even be playing the game in November. Nevermind.

I don't even see a penalty for waiting to buy them later, so yeah, CC back in pocket, money not given to PGI

[Chuanhao]

Buying six heroes is a bit too much for me to qualify for clan TOP tier.

But I am willing to upgrade my night gyr pack from standard to collectors and purchase three heroes - stormcrow, timber, Warhawks to qualify for the TOP tier.

Can PGI consider this particular Combi? One collectors pack and three heroes.

If not, since I already have the invasion 30% extra chill generating Warhawk prime variant, no incentive to get the hero Warhawk whatsoever, I will just be getting the stormcrow hero after oct 16th to hopefully qualify for next years loyalty rewards.

[MovinTarget]

Appogee, on 30 September 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

You are wrong.

With these cash-only omnipods, only players who spend cash will be able to create OminMechs whose performance is better than non-cash Mechs.

The devil is in the detail of how the omnipods can be mixed and matched. These cash-only pods enable, for example, a Timberwolf that has more pod space than any other non-cash Timberwolf, and a Timberwolf that can now equip more ballistics than any other.

Etc.


Me too. And I believe PGI has previously done a good job of ensuring Hero Mechs aren't the most powerful Mech in the stable, thereby avoiding P2W.

I supposed it can be argued that the Black Widow is an example of P2W, in that it is a pay-to-play Hero Mech better than F2P equivalents. Perhaps also the Oxide. However, these are Mechs which have fixed loadouts and which have and will be subjected to balancing.

The problem with cash-only omnipods is that they can be re-used across OmniMechs to continually min-max in ways that F2P players will never be able to do. To me that fact makes them a further dangerous new step in the direction of P2W.

Do note that as far as I can tell, if you buy one hero, you will only ever have access to one set of said Hero's omnipods. So while I see what you are saying, its not like you could suddenly run 3 dual guass TBRs in FP because you bought one Hero TBR. You'd have to buy 3.

Secondly, apart from quirks, it doesn't appear that any of the Hero mechs has more than 2 "new" omnipod configs (see my distillation a few pages back) other than the Stormcrow that gets a torso with AMS plus 2 other new Omnipods. So while, yes, you will have access to combinations that non-hero owners won't, I've yet to see examples of some monstrosity that will ultimately single-handedly destroy balance. And even if it did, they would just NERF THE FRIGGIN OMNIPOD just like they nerfed the Oxide and the BW.

Did you notice how the Night Gyr quirks only worked if you kept the stock omnipods? They'll probably adopt something like that so that even if you did choose to create some hypothetical balance-breaker it would loss some efficiency somehow.

Edited by MovinTarget, 30 September 2016 - 06:46 AM.

[RAM]

Gas Guzzler, on 30 September 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

I've tried to lobby for the ECM Kingfisher

October's mech please!


RAM
ELH

[BlackW1nd]

JaidenHaze, on 29 September 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

The moment that made Aiden Prydes immortal was in a Timber. How could you pick the worst Mech of his career :/

This was his favorite mech. So, I guess, they did it right. And, to be honest, Timber was very unreliable mech, at least at that time, just read of all the problems he had with it on Tukayyid.

Edited by BlackW1nd, 30 September 2016 - 07:49 AM.

[Appogee]

MovinTarget, on 30 September 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

Did you notice how the Night Gyr quirks only worked if you kept the stock omnipods? They'll probably adopt something like that so that even if you did choose to create some hypothetical balance-breaker it would loss some efficiency somehow.

Yeah, I thought that was a good idea. Wish they'd thought of that at the beginning, actually.

(BTW in case anyone thinks I'm biased... I own most of the Clan Mechs, so I'd personally pay the price from them being less OP.)

[TELEFORCE]

MovinTarget, on 30 September 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:

I would *hate* to be forced to use one targeting computer when I wanted to use another... What if the its an energy boat and the TC is a fixed TC1 but I have one ton and an extra slot so I could have had a TC2? or what if it came with a TC5 and I needed those tons/slots for other stuff?

nope, I'm happy the TC ain't fixed.

The fixed TC isn't the point. The point is that PGI ignored the lore by introducing a Warhawk config that doesn't even have a TC. That's what made the omnimech in lore; every single one of its canon configs has a targeting computer!

[Widowmaker1981]

Appogee, on 30 September 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

The devil is in the detail of how the omnipods can be mixed and matched. These cash-only pods enable, for example, a Timberwolf that has more pod space than any other non-cash Timberwolf, and a Timberwolf that can now equip more ballistics than any other.

Hmmm? How does it have more pod space than any other? It has the exact same. I really dont see how adding a LA ballistic to the TBR opens up ANY new builds either.. it doesn't have the tonnage to run 4xUAC5, it can already run 3xUAC5/2xGauss/2xUAC10 if it wants.. UAC2s are terrible but i guess you can run 4 of those now if you want.. yay?. thats not paying to win, though.

I don't see any P2W here. Dire Wolves and Kitfoxes are the only mechs to really benefit a lot imo, and Kodiaks exist so who cares about Dires getting a bit more power, and the Kitfox have the huge disadvantage of being a Kitfox, so meh.

[Appogee]

Widowmaker1981, on 30 September 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

Hmmm? How does it have more pod space than any other?

It doesn't have the locked jump jets, essentially freeing up pod space for bigger weapons, TCs, ammo or whatever.

But that was just one example of how newer types of pods that are only available on cash-paid Heroes will enable greater min-maxing capabilities across the entire Clan chassis.

Edited by Appogee, 30 September 2016 - 08:43 AM.

[Sol Fin]

Hi

Well, nice artwork on these. But besides that - nothing interesting. Nothing really standing out in loadout. No MASC mechs, no command mech, no ecm mechs. Most loadouts are can be made from normal ones. Went in very excited - left very disappointed. ;(

[MovinTarget]

TELEFORCE, on 30 September 2016 - 08:29 AM, said:

The fixed TC isn't the point. The point is that PGI ignored the lore by introducing a Warhawk config that doesn't even have a TC. That's what made the omnimech in lore; every single one of its canon configs has a targeting computer!

This is the problem here. They can't satisfy everyone. They made the flamer on the Adder not fixed and most everyone rejoiced. Last I checked that flamer was fixed in lore but they changed that due to popular demand.

You can add any size TC you want now.

You can make it lore.

Not everyone wants to play TT builds, and I suspect many, if not a majority of MWO players have never played TT.

Edited by MovinTarget, 30 September 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[Outcast1six]

There is a lot of discussion about min/maxing with P2W Hero pods. I've always felt that the Hero mech were more of a novelty. I like the 30% c-bill boost, but they have never felt overpowered, in fact some are pretty well maligned compared to c-bill variants. I will probably purchase 1 or 2 now and MC the rest during the eventual MC/mech sales that happen, got a Butterbee this go around for 35% off.

The lack of content movement is the most frustrating, and its sad to see an announcement from PGI taken the way this one has been. Lots of excitement, but the community sighs deeply at the prospect of more cash mechs. We're like kids at Christmas thinking we have a really cool present only to find out its more clothes. Please PGI, don't "announce" anything anymore. Just drop a **** load of cool new content and don't say a word. The community will thank you for it.

[Widowmaker1981]

Appogee, on 30 September 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

It doesn't have the locked jump jets, essentially freeing up pod space for bigger weapons, TCs, ammo or whatever.

But that was just one example of how newer types of pods that are only available on cash-paid Heroes will enable greater min-maxing capabilities across the entire Clan chassis.

But the Timberwolf doesnt have locked JJs, you dont need to use the S STs to make good builds for it, though i do use it a bit simply because 2JJs are useful.

You are right though, in the sense there will probably be a few builds that come out in the wash that arent possible without buying the hero pods, and this paywalled - but thats always been the case with heroes and as long as it isnt game changing in any way, and id argue none of these pods are, its just pay to be different.

[MovinTarget]

Widowmaker1981, on 30 September 2016 - 09:51 AM, said:

But the Timberwolf doesnt have locked JJs, you dont need to use the S STs to make good builds for it, though i do use it a bit simply because 2JJs are useful.

You are right though, in the sense there will probably be a few builds that come out in the wash that arent possible without buying the hero pods, and this paywalled - but thats always been the case with heroes and as long as it isnt game changing in any way, and id argue none of these pods are, its just pay to be different.

But still, if there were 4-5 omnipods or whole sets of omnipods that were paywalled, I'd be concerned. If there are only ever 2 per omnimech... I don't think that is worth freaking out about. If they start introducing more... yeah *then* I can see real cause for concern.

But I restate my assertion that even if some of these Omnipods become OP they can just add some negative quirks or something to bring them back in line. Like WM, most hero mechs are "meh" at best.

Edited by MovinTarget, 30 September 2016 - 09:57 AM.

[Neathdrawls]

Does this also mean that our Wave 1 Invasion Variants can have normal camos on it now?

Please?

I do hope so.

[Commander A9]

Who the hell designed these damn loadouts!?

[Fobhopper]

Commander A9, on 30 September 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Who the hell designed these damn loadouts!?

someone who isnt interested in building the most meta of all meta mechs. I am actually happy that a lot of these mechs have less boating designed in them.

[Tsuki Ookami vas Mugunghwa]

i'm just gonna be a greedy b*tch and ask:

Please PGI, can we get a discount when we buy all 8 of them in bulk? pretty please?

[freud2b]

I am disappointed of new heros, not much new in posibility.

I hope at least that Pgi handed 4 modules like any other clans ??? .
For the pirate bane 6 modules and heros IS with 5 modules .
Timberwolf and stormcrow only 3 modules is shameful. the ebon is much more powerful with 10 tons less and 4 modules .

Edited by freud2b, 30 September 2016 - 11:23 AM.